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Old 03-19-2010, 04:48 PM   #111
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I'm guessing a charger is the small CO2 thingies
Exactly. See HERE.

He says he uses about 4-5 cartridges per keg from full to empty.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:55 PM   #112
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Exactly. See HERE.

He says he uses about 4-5 cartridges per keg from full to empty.
I'm assuming that's just for dispensing - not force carbing ?
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:03 PM   #113
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Nope, both. Which is what started my conversation with my LHBS about using a charger for that purpose vs. having to use a priming sugar vs. using a cylinder & regulator.

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Old 03-19-2010, 05:52 PM   #114
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Of course the chargers will work to force carb. It's just a very imprecise and expensive way to do it.

My estimate is that it would take two 16g carts initially to carb, then 3 to dispense and you'd be rollercoastering on the carb level the whole time.

It would take 141 16gram cartridges to equal the same amount of gas as a 5lb CO2 tank.

That's $141 and you could get a 5lb tank, regulator, and your first 5 fills for that much.

Even if you later decided to get out of the hobby after 2 years, you have 75% resale value on the tank/reg and a bin full of empty cartridges the other way.

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Old 03-19-2010, 06:31 PM   #115
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Of course the chargers will work to force carb. It's just a very imprecise and expensive way to do it.

My estimate is that it would take two 16g carts initially to carb, then 3 to dispense and you'd be rollercoastering on the carb level the whole time.

It would take 141 16gram cartridges to equal the same amount of gas as a 5lb CO2 tank.

That's $141 and you could get a 5lb tank, regulator, and your first 5 fills for that much.

Even if you later decided to get out of the hobby after 2 years, you have 75% resale value on the tank/reg and a bin full of empty cartridges the other way.
Excellent points.

One more - get at least 2 CO2 cylinders - you'll always have CO2

If you get the high and low pressure guages, don't trust the HP - will only go low when you're almost empty.

Best way is to weigh the cylinder - think full they are 12.50 pounds (7.50 is the weight of the cylinder)
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:33 PM   #116
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Of course the chargers will work to force carb. It's just a very imprecise and expensive way to do it.
That's what I had thought.

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My estimate is that it would take two 16g carts initially to carb, then 3 to dispense.
That's exactly what he had told me.

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It would take 141 16gram cartridges to equal the same amount of gas as a 5lb CO2 tank. That's $141 and you could get a 5lb tank, regulator, and your first 5 fills for that much.
Yeah. I can get 40 carts for about $30. At 5 per keg, that's about $3.75 per keg, or 8 kegs per $30. I agree with your point though that in the long-run it's more expensive for a less stable result.

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Even if you later decided to get out of the hobby after 2 years, you have 75% resale value on the tank/reg and a bin full of empty cartridges the other way.
A really good point, considering the cylinder and regulator pretty much maintain their value. Cost/value factor aside though, what was making me scratch my head was the LHBS saying that simply using a charger vs tank setup wouldn't work. Roller coaster effect aside, it will work. It's just not ideal. Thanks for your input.
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I totally messed this up with my new kegging system. One of the sites I had read when I initially kegged my beer said that 48 hours at serving pressure would carb the beer perfectly, and was referred to as the "patient method" on this site: http://www.homebrew.com/articles/article12018101.shtml

I pulled off a very flat, although tasty, beer this evening. I've kicked it up to 30 psi for now. Would the shake the hell out of it method give me a drinkable beer by sometime tonight? or should I forget about drinking this by the weekend like I'd hoped

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It's very possible that you didn't have a perfect seal on the keg while the yeast were dealing with the priming sugar.

If the carbonation pressure on the chart is 13psi, that's what you should leave it at even during serving. With 6' of line, the pour may be a little fast but it shouldn't be too bad.
update.. the pressure release thing in the lids leak on both kegs. gonna have to replace those. doh.
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update.. the pressure release thing in the lids leak on both kegs. gonna have to replace those. doh.
I've heard a couple of people losing a whole CO2 cylinder - bad seal.

Save the whales..............but kill those funky seals.
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Yeah, I can barely hear (too much artillery/mortars/rockets blowing up around me for a while) - but I pulled the keg out after another no-carbonation-worth-mentioning pull from the tap and.... sure enough faint hiss from the pressure release dealio. Checked the empty keg - it does the same thing. It takes a real long time for all the pressure to leak down, but it's definitely leaking, and that definitely isn't good for carbonation.

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