Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Bottling/Kegging > How much pressure in a newly filled tank?




Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-01-2013, 11:21 AM   #1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 39
Liked 2 Times on 1 Posts

Default How much pressure in a newly filled tank?

I just bought a new 20# cylinder, got it filled, brought it home and it shows 650# overall pressure. I would have thought it would be well over 1000#. Heck, the guage markings suggest refilling at 500#. Did I get shortchanged?


KEG99 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-01-2013, 11:30 AM   #2
PJM
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
PJM's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Wheeling, WV
Posts: 310
Liked 7 Times on 5 Posts

Default

Was it in the fridge when you got that reading? Chilling the tank reduces the pressure. If not, I would think something funny is going on


PJM is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-01-2013, 11:34 AM   #3
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 558
Liked 12 Times on 12 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

The high pressure gauge is only useful when all of the liquid CO2 is gone, and only gas remains. If the tank itself is still cold from filling, or in a cold room (or fridge) the pressure inside the tank is lower.

If you want to make sure you aren't being ripped off, look for the Tare Weight of the cylinder (it should be on the cylinder itself somewhere). Now weigh the whole thing on a scale, and subtract the tare weight, now you can see if they gave you 20# or ripped you off. Make sure when you weigh the cylinder you remove the regulator and such.
BigRob is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-02-2013, 12:44 AM   #4
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 39
Liked 2 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Thanks. I checked the weight. 43.4# Tare weight is 11.2kg (or 25#) So the net is ~18#. Pretty close (if you include the little bit i used last night). I just expected a much higher pressure. Lots to learn.
KEG99 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-03-2013, 06:32 PM   #5
mac leinn ar an eorna, agus hop
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
patthebrewer's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: , allenwood, nj
Posts: 423
Liked 21 Times on 20 Posts
Likes Given: 93

Default

My completely filled tank in my kegerator, only shows 500psi at 35 degrees. The high pressure gauge is of questionable usage, I think, since it can't tell you how much you have left in your tank. The only thing that can is a scale.
__________________
Custom Hand Crafted Wood Working for Brewers by a Brewer

Predfam@Live.com

"Everybody's got to believe in something, I believe I'll have another Beer" W.C. Fields
patthebrewer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-03-2013, 10:40 PM   #6
Comfortably Numb
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
 
shelly_belly's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Rabbit Town, Bama
Posts: 1,251
Liked 59 Times on 53 Posts
Likes Given: 15

Default

The pressure depends on the temperature and percentage of fill.


shelly_belly is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-04-2013, 04:06 PM   #7
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Peterborough, ON
Posts: 219
Liked 10 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default

Basically, as above.

CO2 becomes a liquid under two conditions, when it is under enough pressure, or when it gets cold enough.

Once you have a volume of CO2 under pressure, the partial pressure required to keep it liquid fluctuates directly with the temperature. There's a certain threshold where headspace becomes a major role too but realistically, if it's being filled to ~80-90% of rated capacity by *weight* you're pressure will fluctuate directly with the temperature of the tank.

Also, neat fact, if you have a know volume with a known weight of CO2 in a closed system with a pressure gauge, you can accurately measure temperature .


__________________
Fermenting - Pomegranate Mead (3g), Acerglyn

Kegged - Modified Bee Cave IPA, Calypso Pale

Bottled - Brown ale, Pomegranate Mead, Orange Apfelwein
Walking_Target is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Can O2 tank be filled with CO2? BangorBrewer Equipment/Sanitation 14 05-07-2013 05:25 PM
Where to get my co2 tank filled? Fishing73 Bottling/Kegging 19 06-13-2011 02:43 AM
How do I know if my tank is filled with CO2 and not something else? BrewVegas Bottling/Kegging 10 12-06-2010 02:36 AM
Filled my first CO2 tank and... LumberjackJohn Bottling/Kegging 6 03-19-2010 12:22 AM
Is my co2 tank filled? photogscott Bottling/Kegging 1 02-13-2008 12:42 PM



FOLLOW US ON