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Old 10-06-2012, 06:48 AM   #21
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In order to bottle from the keg without losing most of the carbonation and making a mess, everything needs to be kept as cold as possible. By lowering the temperature and applying pressure, the solubility of O2 in the beer goes way up. How much will this oxidize the beer? I don't really know, but certainly enough to significantly reduce it's shelf life, and possibly worse. I wouldn't risk oxidizing my beer just to reduce sediment in the bottle, but that's just me.

Shelly_belly's suggestion seems like a good one to me. Those only cost ~$20, and cartridges are ~$2 each. You'd want an extra long line if you go that route though, since the cartridges will provide a little more pressure than is ideal for bottling.

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How much will this oxidize the beer? I don't really know,
I think the OP understands this. I believe that is what he is asking.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:43 AM   #23
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Yooper, has this Nonsmokingbandit fella fried you yet?
Condescending!!!!
Bandit, Yoopers not been trying to lead you astray. And you'll find, if you hang around, Yooper helps a lot of people on here. And, as far as "prissy"? Well... you may find something put about that as well! Hah

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Old 10-10-2012, 06:43 PM   #25
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No need to get pissy. Anyone can tell from the quality of the post that he had actually taken time to respond rather than just spout off a bunch of stuff that doesn't even make sense.

Have a beer and relax.
It doesnt make sense that you SHOULDN'T oxygenate your beer? The answer to your question is simple, and it is this: Your idea is a bad one. Your beer MAY not suffer A LOT from this, but it WILL suffer. Oxygenation WILL happen. You are just asking for trouble, and for what?

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I'm just trying to avoid sediment in the bottle without spending more money
If you have enough yeast in the bottom of your bottles that is is bothering you, you are either sticking your racking cane RIGHT INTO the yeast, or you are super anal retentive.

No one is trying to lead you astray here by giving you bad information. Even if we can't give you details of "liquid dynamics", it doesn't mean that we don't know that OXYGEN WILL OXYGENATE BEER!

TL;DR? Your idea is a bad one.
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There's a product called Sed-Ex sediment catchers that might be what you need. You'll need to switch to screw top bottles and make returning the empties and caps a condition of your generosity when giving your friends the brews.

I haven't used them as the sediment doesn't bother me but YouTube says they work and YouTube doesn't lie.

They're certainly less complex and don't risk adding unwanted O2.

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Does carbonating in a keg and then bottling prevent the little bit of yeast sediment that you get when bottle conditioning? I figured either way you'd need to run it through some kind of filter to get everything out.

Seems like a lot of extra work and expense to ultimately end up with bottled beer that will still probably have some sediment in it.

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Does carbonating in a keg and then bottling prevent the little bit of yeast sediment that you get when bottle conditioning? I figured either way you'd need to run it through some kind of filter to get everything out.

Seems like a lot of extra work and expense to ultimately end up with bottled beer that will still probably have some sediment in it.
Yeah you don't get the itty bitty yeast cake on the bottom of the bottle that occurs during bottle conditioning.
However if you made a cloudy wheat beer, or a fruit beer (depending on the fruit) there will still be some small amount of solids that settle out to the bottom.
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No need to get pissy. Anyone can tell from the quality of the post that he had actually taken time to respond rather than just spout off a bunch of stuff that doesn't even make sense.
Sorry. Those who ask a question and don't like the answer, so dismiss that answer with an insult make me pissy.
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Does carbonating in a keg and then bottling prevent the little bit of yeast sediment that you get when bottle conditioning? I figured either way you'd need to run it through some kind of filter to get everything out.

Seems like a lot of extra work and expense to ultimately end up with bottled beer that will still probably have some sediment in it.
Actually, if you keg and condition in the keg, and then keep the keg cold and don't move it, you can dispense sediment free beer. Or at least, nearly sediment free, as there may be a very slight dusting of sediment in the bottom of the bottle. But when I've bottled from the keg, the bottles remain sediment-free and almost seem filtered. Of course, this means bottling only clear beer to begin with.

Normally, once you cold crash the keg it will get very clear. The first 3-4 ounces dispensed will have some sediment, but later pours will have none. If you bottle at that point with a beer gun (or the poorman's beergun, the BMBF: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f35/we-n...eer-gun-24678/) you can have a clear bottled beer with little-to-no sediment. They will stay perfectly carbonated, and will not have oxidation or any issues at all. You CAN filter, of course, before bottling but I've never found it necessary. I've bottled award-winning bottles with the Biermuncher Bottle Filler, with almost no additional cost!
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