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Old 02-10-2013, 07:12 PM   #11
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The flip top bottle I found that had not been previously used was perfect. When I say perfect it was magnificent. I think there is something going on with the bottles. I do use starsan as a cleaning agent. I might try the pbw thing. After drinking from the other bottle the beer in the over carbed bottles is more on the sour side. I might have been mistaking it for the excessive carbonation. CO2 always tastes sour to me.

Before I do that I might just do a massive soak in bleach for a few days in a plastic tub, then clean then rinse and clean the milk crates I store bottle in.

After last nights experiment I think that its clear that it can only be one of two things, the bottles or the caps and I seriously doubt that its the bottle caps.

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Old 02-10-2013, 08:36 PM   #12
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Star-San is for sanitizing, not cleaning.

Clean first, sanitize second.

I've had good luck with bleach although common opinion frowns on it.

I make sure everything is very well rinsed and has a chance to dry completely before I use it though.

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I disassemble it completely and give it a good soaking in star say with everything else, reassemble it put it ont he bucket and then sanitize my bucket and drain the sanizier through the spout, through my line and bottling wand into a growler that I keep the wand in when its not in use. The more and more I think about this I am starting to wonder if somehow I am not getting something out of the bottles.

The only other thing that pops into my head is I have been trouble with my mash temps and keeping them up. The only other thing that comes to mind is that from my mash temps dropping that more complex sugars are extracted from the beer causing it to continue to ferment very slowly. I feel like I am reaching with this one.
Any reason you don't just hand soak instead of using the dishwasher? Someone mentioned possibility of foreign cleaning agents. If you do have to use the washer, maybe try running it through with sanitizer before loading in the bottles. This may better sanitize the racks that rest against part of the inside of your bottle. Maybe a reach as well, but just a thought.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:40 AM   #14
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What temperature do you keep your fridge at? I had bottle bomb issues with a root beer I made. The champagne yeast kept carbonating in my fridge at 42F, and they would spray 7ft in the air. I have the scars on my hands from one exploding on me to prove it too.

Possibly you may not be getting the yeast cold enough to go dormant, and they may still be carbonating in the fridge. I use both yeasts your described, and have not had an issue with that. Although my last stout made with WL Dry English Ale yeast kept carbing up at in my 62F basement. Learned that lesson the hard way.

Just my $.02

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Old 02-13-2013, 10:49 AM   #15
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You have an infection, pure and simple. There's only three things that can cause gushing, using too much priming sugar, bottling too soon (which you have ruled out by to me leaving the beer alone for a month) and an infection.

But if your beers are fully carbed and leveled out for a few weeks, AND THEN start to gush, it's a late onset infection....Sorry

I'm not too keen on your bottling sanitization regimen. I've never been one who thinks a dishwasher is such a sanitary place to begin with, nor using LD carlson sanitizer any way, especially in the way you're using it, which sounds like your running a wash cycle on your dishwasher and not a sterilizing cycle.

First get rid of the pseudo sanitizer and get a real no rinse like starsan or iodophor, and use them EXACTLY as it is recommended, DON'T RINSE IT, DON'T LET IT DRY. Rinse/wash your bottles by had, using either a jet bottle washer and/or a bottle brush. Sanitize them by either dunking them in the sanitizer or using a vinator. Make sure you've sanitized your caps.

Bottle as normal and see if it works. You can't have a shotgun effect and be able to figure out what's going on. You can only change one variable at a time and it seems your weekest, oddest variable is how you treat the bottles. So my advice is to try it a different, more traditional way and see if it works better for you.

But most all the other theories folks are offering are off base....there's only 3 reasons for gushers as I stated above.

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I am spot on with you Revvy. I listened to an episode of can you brew it from the brewing network and they described what I am seeing to a t. I am going to change out my bottling regimen and quit with the dishwasher. I got some PBW on the way with a new drill mountable bottle brush and I am going to give everything a good scrub. Next batch I do I am going to scrub again and do a long starsan soak and take the bottles directly out of the starsan and immediately fill them with beer.

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I'm also with Revvy on the dishwasher, it's not a sanitary environment. Do you know how much waste water remains in the system between cycles and just sits there? It's astonishing. And that soup gets mixed in with the next cycle, your beer bottles.

Also I don't believe enough water gets inside those narrow necks to clean anything out. Hit and miss most likely.

I'd bottle brush first, followed by a jet clean, then sanitize.

I soak (dirty) bottles with old fashioned washing soda (Sodium Carbonate), bottle-brush them well, rinse them out a few times, and hit them with the jet using very hot water. Then into the Starsan.

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