Get your HBT Growlers, Shirts and Membership before the Rush!


Home Brew Forums > Wine, Mead, Cider, Sake & Soda > Cider Forum > What happened to my cider?
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-27-2012, 02:43 PM   #1
mjjakub
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 11
Default What happened to my cider?

I put up 2 1-gal ciders about 8 days ago. One of them I poured in 1lb honey and used Nottingham ale yeast, and one I decided to allow to ferment naturally, (s.g. was 1.050 at 57F). The first cider proceeded fine and seems ok, the second cider was very sluggish getting started, (as I expected it would). after a couple days it was bubbling very slowly, ~7 bubbles/min. On the sixth day it went from the 7 bubbles/min in the morning to 28 bubbles/min that afternoon. The next morning it was bubbling at 59 bubbles/min! When I got home that night, the bubbling had stopped completely. I popped the airlock off and took a wiff, and ugh! what a smell. The cider was very hazy, much lighter in color than it was even that morning, and it stank. Now, I assume it is "cider sickness" that killed this cider, so my questions are, is there a way to avoid the bacterial infections without killing the natural yeast? And, is this cider in any way redeemable?

__________________
mjjakub is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-27-2012, 04:25 PM   #2
Apple_Jacker
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Apple_Jacker's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Hixson, TN
Posts: 529
Liked 60 Times on 47 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mjjakub
I put up 2 1-gal ciders about 8 days ago. One of them I poured in 1lb honey and used Nottingham ale yeast, and one I decided to allow to ferment naturally, (s.g. was 1.050 at 57F). The first cider proceeded fine and seems ok, the second cider was very sluggish getting started, (as I expected it would). after a couple days it was bubbling very slowly, ~7 bubbles/min. On the sixth day it went from the 7 bubbles/min in the morning to 28 bubbles/min that afternoon. The next morning it was bubbling at 59 bubbles/min! When I got home that night, the bubbling had stopped completely. I popped the airlock off and took a wiff, and ugh! what a smell. The cider was very hazy, much lighter in color than it was even that morning, and it stank. Now, I assume it is "cider sickness" that killed this cider, so my questions are, is there a way to avoid the bacterial infections without killing the natural yeast? And, is this cider in any way redeemable?
DO NOT DUMP THAT CIDER! It is probably fine.

Bad smells can be normal. It could be high temps stressing out the yeast, or a lack of nutrients can cause foul odors. That does not necessarily indicate any problems. The haziness is normal, and the cider will become lighter in color as it ferments. That has happened with every cider, and wine, I've made. They lighten up and are hazy at first, bit the suspended solids causing the haze will drop to the bottom of the bucket or carboy if given enough time on its own, or you can use a variety of things, such as pectic enzyme or Sparkalloid, to speed it up. Cold crashing helps too.
I've seen people here say this before: you can do 2 ciders, using the same juice, same yeast, same sugar, same temperature, and stillyt get 2 different results. It sounds like one yeast packet you used was "healthier" than the other, which could explain why 1 took off quicker than the other. It sounds like you just need to let it do its thing and learn what we all had to learn when first starting this addiction: Be patient! Be clean and sanitary! Take notes! And be patient some more!!! That was the hardest thing for me to learn.
__________________
Apple_Jacker is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-27-2012, 04:30 PM   #3
Yooper
Ale's What Cures You!
HBT_ADMIN.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Yooper's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 62,926
Liked 4959 Times on 3590 Posts
Likes Given: 1004

Default

The other thing to consider is that some wild yeast strains taste bad. It could be that the wild yeast that fermented that cider isn't a good natural strain.

__________________
Broken Leg Brewery
Giving beer a leg to stand on since 2006

Find me on facebook: Lorena Evans
But I'm pretty boring so don't expect much!
https://www.facebook.com/lorena.t.evans
Yooper is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-28-2012, 12:07 PM   #4
mjjakub
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 11
Default

I brought a couple samples to work, (I'm a chemist), and looked at them under a microscope. There are definitely bacteria present among the yeast.

__________________
mjjakub is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-28-2012, 06:16 PM   #5
monel_funkawitz
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 19
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default

The bacteria you mentioned are ones that turn cider to vinegar. That batch is officially vinegar.

__________________
monel_funkawitz is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-28-2012, 09:49 PM   #6
Apple_Jacker
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Apple_Jacker's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Hixson, TN
Posts: 529
Liked 60 Times on 47 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

Which isn't a bad thing, if you like cooking with vinegar, or making your own marinades and sauces.

__________________
Apple_Jacker is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply



Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cider newbie - process questions for kegged sweet hard force carbed cider jfdimarco Cider Forum 3 02-23-2013 11:53 AM
Basic Cider Making Instructions - Peach/Apple Cider t_and_a_brews Cider Forum 7 01-18-2013 03:20 AM
Funny thing happened today Copernicus Cider Forum 5 10-17-2010 06:00 PM
Something very strange happened with my test can anyone explain this? Tantalar Cider Forum 7 02-04-2010 02:53 PM
what in gods name happened? saburke17 Cider Forum 4 09-22-2009 02:15 PM



Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS