Get your HBT Growlers, Shirts and Membership before the Rush!


Home Brew Forums > Wine, Mead, Cider, Sake & Soda > Cider Forum > A Stout Cider (Graffed Stout) Recipe: Critique Please!
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-21-2013, 11:58 PM   #1
zandrsn
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto, ON
Posts: 94
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default A Stout Cider (Graffed Stout) Recipe: Critique Please!

Hi all, I'm planning on making a graff (cider/beer hybrid) that uses an oatmeal stout as the beer base. I have two different recipes that I've been developing, and am interested in some feedback about the two. They are both based on the idea of brewing a 3 gallon batch of beer and then mixing it with two gallons of apple juice/cider. As you'll be able to see the main difference between the recipes is that one has more spices etc, while the other is much more simple, but uses a belgian strong yeast (Rochefort's yeast) instead of an ESB yeast. Any and all suggestion about which one might be better would be much appreciated, or any suggestions for combining the two concepts. Also, any thoughts about the ibu level of the two would help.

Thanks!

Graff Stout #1

Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated FG: 1.012 SG
Estimated Color: 35.5 SRM
Estimated IBU: 26.1 IBUs

Ingredients:
5 lbs 8.0 oz - Maris Otter
1 lbs 3.4 oz - Oats, Flaked
6.5 oz - Carafa Special III
6.5 oz - Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L
6.5 oz - Chocolate Malt
6.5 oz - Roasted Barley
17.12 g - Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min
0.25 oz - Ginger Root (Boil 12.0 mins)
6.65 g - Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min
0.50 Items - Cinnamon Stick (Boil 5.0 mins)
0.25 oz - Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 mins)
0.25 oz - Orange Peel, Sweet (Boil 5.0 mins)

1.0 pkg - London Ale III (Wyeast Labs #1318)

2 gallons - Apple Juice (Flameout)
8.0 oz - Maple Syrup (Flameout)
1.00 Items - Vanilla Bean (Secondary 2.0 weeks)

Graff Stout #2

Estimated OG: 1.057 SG
Estimated FG: 1.010 SG
Estimated Color: 33.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 10.2 IBUs

Ingredients:
5 lbs 1.9 oz - Maris Otter
1 lbs 2.1 oz - Oats, Flaked
6 oz - Carafa Special III
6 oz - Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L
6 oz - Chocolate Malt
6 oz - Roasted Barley
6.54 g - Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min
2.54 g - Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min
0.25 oz - Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 mins)

1.0 pkg - Belgian Abbey II (Wyeast Labs #1762)

2 gallons - Apple Juice (Flameout)
8.0 oz - Maple Syrup (Flameout)

__________________
Up Next: Fearless IPA , Verdorven Genot Belgian IPA
Primary: Unnamed Wheatwine with Brett Trois
Secondary: Verloren Onschuld Oud Bruin
Barrel-aging: Clamberskull's Revenge RIS
Bottled: Winter is Coming RIS,La Mort Rouge Grand Cru Flanders Red, Northern Soul Imperial Brown Ale, Roncevaux 9 Quad, Squeeze my Lemon Summer Ale, North Woods ESA, Porch Days Earl Grey Ale, Sol Invictus Clementine Melomel, Fall's Ephemera Apple Witbier, Graf of Gilead, Solstice Moon Blueberry Melomel
zandrsn is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 01:36 AM   #2
zandrsn
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto, ON
Posts: 94
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

Bump?

__________________
Up Next: Fearless IPA , Verdorven Genot Belgian IPA
Primary: Unnamed Wheatwine with Brett Trois
Secondary: Verloren Onschuld Oud Bruin
Barrel-aging: Clamberskull's Revenge RIS
Bottled: Winter is Coming RIS,La Mort Rouge Grand Cru Flanders Red, Northern Soul Imperial Brown Ale, Roncevaux 9 Quad, Squeeze my Lemon Summer Ale, North Woods ESA, Porch Days Earl Grey Ale, Sol Invictus Clementine Melomel, Fall's Ephemera Apple Witbier, Graf of Gilead, Solstice Moon Blueberry Melomel
zandrsn is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 08:19 AM   #3
LandoAllen
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
Posts: 155
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts

Default

That first recipe sounds amazing! I've used orange zest, vanilla, and cinnamon in a cider before and it turned out great. A graff is next on my list to make and I would be very interested in how these recipes turn out!

__________________
LandoAllen is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 12:48 PM   #4
CadillacAndy
Senior Member
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
CadillacAndy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 1,065
Liked 105 Times on 88 Posts
Likes Given: 44

Default

I made a stout/Graff/cider last year about this time. My suggestion would be to really increase the body with the stout however you can - lots of oats, flaked barley, maltodextrin, etc. adding the cider really thins it out and takes away what I think a stout should be.

I'd also probably dial back some of the spices in the stout and focus on making an over the top thick, malty and aromatic stout. Then add the juice and spice to taste in smaller quantities until you get it dialed in.

Cheers!

__________________

Looking for a way to give and receive beer feedback using online BJCP score sheets?
Check out - http://onlinebeerscores.com/ and my blog at http://onlinebeerscores.com/blog

CadillacAndy is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 12:56 PM   #5
Pickled_Pepper
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Posts: 1,246
Liked 75 Times on 66 Posts
Likes Given: 20

Default

I make what I call a Bitter Apple at least once a year. 3 gallons of ESB wort and 2 gallons of AJ. I like it because it's more beer than cider, but the AJ gives it a nice fruity aroma and undertone. I've never tried a stout, but I agree with Cadillac about the body. If you can't get that full body it probably will just be a dark fruit ale. Since you will end up fairly dry on the FG, some lactose might also bring back body and sweeten it in the process.

__________________
Pickled_Pepper is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply



Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Graffed Stout aka Stout Graff zandrsn Recipes/Ingredients 3 05-03-2013 05:13 PM
Stout Recipe critique? Irisndfan2 Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 3 03-26-2011 07:36 PM
Stout Recipe for Critique BrewFrick Recipes/Ingredients 6 09-14-2008 02:35 AM
Stout recipe critique HOOTER Recipes/Ingredients 10 08-22-2008 09:29 PM
I need some critique on my first stout recipe please! RotorHead6 All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 7 10-18-2007 11:18 PM



Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS