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jacobdaughtry 06-15-2008 08:29 PM

Racking Ed Wort's Apfwelwein
 
3 weeks out. Used cider instead. Fermentation has stopped now. Would like to rack. I don't think it matters in terms of clarification whether I rack it now.

I was wondering what you guys think it does to flavor if I go ahead and bottle it now? Getting anxious to see what it tastes like.

Thanks,
JD

Revvy 06-15-2008 08:38 PM

How do you know fermentation is complete?

I know you're impatient, but good thinks take time...I let mine sit for 3 months (it took that long to clear....)

Here's ed's instructions....
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It will become cloudy in a couple of days and remain so for a few weeks. In the 4th week, the yeast will begin to drop out and it will become clear. After at least 4 weeks, you can keg or bottle, but it is ok to leave it in the carboy for another month or so. Racking to a secondary is not necessary. It ferments out very dry (less than 0.999, see here)
Aging anything improves flavor....I found it very very harsh when it was young...now that it is 6 months out (3 in the bottle) it is much smoother.

jacobdaughtry 06-15-2008 08:46 PM

Not 100% sure. Haven't seen anything from bubler for about a week. Going to go check gravity now.

Revvy 06-15-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobdaughtry (Post 714434)
Not 100% sure. Haven't seen anything from bubler for about a week. Going to go check gravity now.

Thought that was what you were using to judge....(shakes head) :D

Remember airlock bubbling is never a true sign of fermentation, only your hydrometer is....

The airlock is outgassing oxygen initially and more importantly co2 (which is of course a byproduct of fermentation), but there are a lot of variables that come into play in terms of the airlock bubbling...You could have for example and bad seal between the grommet (or stopper) and the airlock, or the lid on the bucket isn't fully tight and gas is getting out elsewhere besides the airlock, or the stopper and mouth of the carboy and that would appear slow, while fermentaion is actually occuring rapidly... Or the little bubbler in the airlock could be sitting a little crooked, or become weighted down with tiny co2 bubbles and need to build up a good head of gas before blurping again.

Even having the airlock leaning slightly askew affects it.

I've had beers in my fermentor that have had almost no airlock activity, but I saw the liguid in the airlock was saturated with tiny bubbles. But on the other hand, the brown ale I pitched on a yeastcake from a previous batch sounded like a machine gun the way the bubbler was going up and down...I ended up needing a blow off tube once it got going...

So as you can see airlock activity varies, and should not be used a a sign of speed or lack of fermentation.

jacobdaughtry 06-15-2008 09:19 PM

Thanks Revvy. Just checked the gravity. Holy Cwap. It is at 0.095!!! Not sure it can go much lower.

But you are right. Good things come to those who wait. Let my wife take a wiff and she said she wouldn't even take a sip of it. It smells acrid now.

Think transferring to a secondary and letting it set for a couple of months is not such a bad idea now. Definitely will have to set back and be patient.

Revvy 06-15-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobdaughtry (Post 714465)
Thanks Revvy. Just checked the gravity. Holy Cwap. It is at 0.095!!! Not sure it can go much lower.

But you are right. Good things come to those who wait. Let my wife take a wiff and she said she wouldn't even take a sip of it. It smells acrid now.

Think transferring to a secondary and letting it set for a couple of months is not such a bad idea now. Definitely will have to set back and be patient.

Yeah I had people refusing to drink it, or hating it after a few ships when it was young and raw...they love it now.

whoptbird 06-16-2008 04:09 PM

Mine was in for 3 months as well (i actually forgot it was sitting in the back of the closet). I bottled it this weekend. I wanted some sparkling so I mixed it with dextrose, but I did do 2 still ones for me and SWMBO and stuck em in the fridge. I liked it, it really was just like a dry wine, I'm excited for the sparkling when its ready. I'd say follow Ed's recipe and wait at least 6 weeks or until it's cleared if it's not at 6 weeks. Hope it turns out great for ya.

BigKahuna 06-16-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by whoptbird (Post 715131)
I'd say follow Ed's recipe and wait at least 6 weeks or until it's cleared if it's not at 6 weeks.

If you follow the recipe, you are guaranteed a good drink that will clear in as little as 4 weeks. It will be young and bitter at first, it will mellow and become more apple flavored as time goes by.

I think a lot of people are initially turned off to Apfelwein because they think they know better right off the bat and try to change it...End up with something that won't clear, or tastes like demon drool, then think they don't like Apfelwein.

Make the recipe that has warranted the fermentation of 6,500 gallons of apple juice. Once you know what it SHOULD do...Experiment From There.

People dont' want to read the whole thread on the apfelwein...fine read Page 1, FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS!!! You wont' be disappointed.

Pogo 06-20-2008 11:19 PM

Hmmm...three weeks out and already has a SG of 0.095!

That seems like a short and sweet process that you have assembled there.

What were the yeast, sugar and temperature that you used?

Others posted that when using a cloudy cider going in, it is still cloudy when finished, was your cider cloudy at the start?

Thanks,

Pogo

BlindLemonLars 06-20-2008 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobdaughtry (Post 714465)
Think transferring to a secondary and letting it set for a couple of months is not such a bad idea now. Definitely will have to set back and be patient.

Don't transfer to secondary, it's not necessary. By racking, you're just exposing it to more oxygen, with no gain in return. Just leave it in the primary, and try to forget about it. When it's absolutely crystal clear, you can start thinking about bottling.


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