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jameswardpeterson 06-18-2008 04:05 PM

possible infection? diagnosis please
 
So everything I have done up to this point is pretty stupid and probably my fault, but bare with me, I'm just hoping to save the batch at least. so I have 3 gallons of cider plus 2# of confectioners sugar (I know, stupid) that have been sitting in a NOT airtight fermenter for about 2 weeks now. take note that i never added campden, and the cider was pasteurized when i bought it. now after 2 weeks this has appeared on top of the cider.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/gallery/.../IMG_03252.JPG

It has a smell that seems to have somewhat of a bite to it, but it also smells almost sickly sweet. so is this bad or is this just a natural ferment going through the motions? any help is greatly appreciated.

FatDuc 06-18-2008 04:23 PM

Ummm, that don't look right to me....

Ale Pails aren't that much money. Better Bottles are, well, better. I suggest investing in one and throwing in a stopper and an airlock.

I don't think nature intended us to do spontaneous fermentation indoors in cardboard boxes. I may be wrong though.

Now you may want to just experiment and let that batch in the picture do its thing, just to see what the outcome may be. Pasteurized juice isn't a problem, it's additives like Potassium Sorbate that are, so only buy 100% juice with no preservatives other than ascorbic acid.

No offense, but did you just leave that container wide open like pictured? I would have at least suggested placing a loose top on it.

Good Luck with the next batch! Don't let this one get you down.

zoebisch01 06-18-2008 05:10 PM

Definitely look like mold sites to me. You could try to skim them until fermentation produces enough alcohol and lowers the pH enough to prevent them, but it will most likely get a musty flavor (kind of like a damp basement) that you won't get rid of. I personally would dump it if they are indeed fuzzy mold sites. I rarely say that. ma2brew offers sound advice.

The Blow Leprechaun 06-18-2008 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ma2brew (Post 718124)
I don't think nature intended us to do spontaneous fermentation indoors in cardboard boxes. I may be wrong though.

Bless Mother Nature and may she do whatever she wishes for providing us with yeast.

Yeah, that doesn't look so good. Fermenting in an open container after active fermentation has passed isn't very safe, I don't think. This one might be a sacrifice.

jameswardpeterson 06-18-2008 07:44 PM

Ok, Thanks guys, I guess i just gotta cut losses and start a new recipe here. I just recently found a 3 gallon carboy in my moms house so i was planning on using that for the next batch anyways. I just gotta make sure I get the yeast on time with this one.....

fyi it did have a cover, i took it off for sake of the picture.

zoebisch01 06-18-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jameswardpeterson (Post 718543)
Ok, Thanks guys, I guess i just gotta cut losses and start a new recipe here. I just recently found a 3 gallon carboy in my moms house so i was planning on using that for the next batch anyways. I just gotta make sure I get the yeast on time with this one.....

fyi it did have a cover, i took it off for sake of the picture.

Just make sure that the vessel is sanitized well and anything that comes in contact with the Cider. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :(. I wouldn't let this experience cause doubt though, it is indeed more rare to have an infected batch than many folks think. You want that fermentation to start fast, that is the key.

jameswardpeterson 06-19-2008 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoebisch01 (Post 718555)
You want that fermentation to start fast, that is the key.

That's what I figured could have easily prevented this in the first place. Hopefully im getting the yeast tomorrow, so that ill know for sure that i will have it even before i start. I think im gonna go with the panty dropper cider recipe for this one. Thanks again for the help.

Ooompa Loompa 06-19-2008 03:11 PM

Am I understanding correctly that you fermented it with the lid off?? That's a recipe for disaster every time. And I agree with everybody else, throw it out.

jameswardpeterson 06-20-2008 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jameswardpeterson (Post 718543)
fyi it did have a cover, i took it off for sake of the picture.

I'm not THAT stupid

Ooompa Loompa 06-20-2008 06:02 AM

lol, sorry about that. I didn't mean to imply you were stupid. Guess I should learn how to read.


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