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Old 03-06-2013, 01:09 AM   #11
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I heard the slow carb charts are over a 3-5 day period.

Using the Keg Carbonation Chart

The Slow Forced Carbonation Chart Below features a graph that uses pressure vs. temperature. The interior numbers of the chart refer to the Volumes of CO2

that will be present in your beer after carbonating.

Figure out what style of beer you will be force carbonating.
Figure out what temperature your keg will be at while carbonating.
Find where the color (style of beer) and temperature meet on the chart. This should be your desired force carbonation pressure.
Note: Depending on your beer, you may notice that you are able to chose from a range of pressures. This is where you can take the liberty to add in your own personal preference; If you prefer a beer with a little more carbonation, go towards the high end of what the chart is telling you. And on the other hand, if you prefer a less carbonated ale, set your pressure on the lower end.
I see you edited.... Thanks... Much easier for me to understand now. (Kind of a visual learner)
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What jonurban said is right on. What you're probably wondering is what carbonation level you want for cider. Most draft cider contains around 2 volumes of CO2. For commercial cider makers there's is actually a legal limit of 3.98mg/l, which is just under 2 volumes. If a commercial producer goes above this, they pay 5,000% more tax!

Since you aren't paying any silly taxes, so you can carbonate it however you like. French cider is often more highly carbonated, going as high as 4 volumes of CO2.

Earlier I was a little off when I said I carbonated at 40F and 10 PSI to get just under 2 volumes. What I should have said was I got just over 2 volumes of CO2 as per the chart.

The amount of time it takes the CO2 to dissolve is depends on a few variables. For most ciders at 40F, I get full carbonation within 7 days. If I shake the kegs a little every day, it goes a little faster. If I use a carbonation stone, I can keg it is done within two days.

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Here's how to carbonate in the example you gave:
1. Adjust CO2 pressure to 10 PSI
2. Connect the Co2 to the keg and purge the headspace with co2.
3. Leave CO2 connected to keg at 10 psi for a week.
4. Drink your carbonated cider!

P.S. If you balance your draft system with the correct length and diameter of beverage line, you should be able to serve your cider with the regulator set to 10psi.

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Here's how to carbonate in the example you gave:
1. Adjust CO2 pressure to 10 PSI
2. Connect the Co2 to the keg and purge the headspace with co2.
3. Leave CO2 connected to keg at 10 psi for a week.
4. Drink your carbonated cider!

P.S. If you balance your draft system with the correct length and diameter of beverage line, you should be able to serve your cider with the regulator set to 10psi.
NICE! Thanks guys...
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For commercial cider makers there's is actually a legal limit of 3.98mg/l, which is just under 2 volumes. If a commercial producer goes above this, they pay 5,000% more tax!
Wow, I never realized this, what is the tax for? I can't wait to bring that up in conversation!
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. If I use a carbonation stone, I can keg it is done within two days.
What is a carbonating stone and do you put it inside a keg? I thought this was a big stone with a co2 vent that they use in production inside the big bright tank?
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I might be able to help. I just started kegging cider myself, and the same question of "how long" to achieve the volume the chart was telling me I would end up at. I think the chart is telling you the "maximum" you will achieve. In other words, perhaps after 1 week you end up with the carbonation the chart tells you. But the chart number is a number you will not exceed, even if left on indefinitely. The minimum time to achieve the chart result is actually the question. The answer seems to always be a week or two.

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Wow, I never realized this, what is the tax for? I can't wait to bring that up in conversation!
I know if you go over a particular carbonation level in wine, they tax it like champagne...as a luxury item. If you keep it below a specific CO2 level it's just bubbly and is still taxed as a wine. I assume it's the same for cider?
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