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Old 11-08-2011, 03:33 AM   #51
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So I bought 2 gallons of cider from a local farm, split into 4 growlers, split a tube of ale yeast and let it go. Well I fear it's starting to turn to vinegar a few weeks in here. we just bottled into swing tops. Should I let them just age or are they garbage?

Looks like I have to put a bit more thought in next time...


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Old 11-08-2011, 11:07 AM   #52
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I've smelled vinegar in my growlers before, especially if I didn't rinse them out thoroughly. You should have either run them in the dishwasher or rinsed-and-starsan'ed them.

Other than that, it should have been okay.

I say you bottle the vinegar and give it out as gifts. Put a couple of dried apple slices into each bottle to up the flavor, maybe find some attractive wine bottles and use special corks, and you could even add a bit of food coloring (red or green would work). Why throw away perfectly good vinegar?
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:46 AM   #53
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Just wanted to post a very quick question, but didn't want to make a new thread.

Does juice with 10 percent sugar yield 5 percent abv, due to half of the volume of the sugar being converted to carbon dioxide? I'm pretty sure it does, but just checking.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:44 PM   #54
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Does juice with 10 percent sugar yield 5 percent abv, due to half of the volume of the sugar being converted to carbon dioxide? I'm pretty sure it does, but just checking.
Sugar's volume relates to the space it takes up, not to how many molecules it has. Sugar's volume in aqueous solution is nearly zero.

The fermentation reaction is this:
C12H22O11 +H2O + invertase →2 C6H12O6
C6H12O6 + Zymase → 2C2H5OH + 2CO2
[Wikipedia]

Which is to say, for every equivalent molecular number of glucose molecules, yeast create two molecules of ethanol and two molecules of CO2. That is only the approximate conversion rate - in reality it's not a perfectly efficient process.

Instead of using %-sugar, we tend to speak in terms of "specific gravity". Remember I said above that sugar has nearly no volume in water? That's because when you add it, the sugar dissolves and the molecules intercalate with the hydronium ions of water. It's like dumping sand in a box of marbles -- the sand fills in the cracks, so the box isn't any more full. The box *is* heavier, however, because although the volume is the same, the mass contained in that volume is not. The "specific gravity" of the box of marbles (now sandy marbles) has changed by adding the sand.

We call the density of water without solutes to be value 1.000

Adding sugar pours sand in the box of marbles, so the more sand, the higher the gravity. A gravity of 1.050, for instance, is a good starting point for beer or cider, whereas a gravity of 1.090 would be better for wine.

As to percentages... I don't use them, so I don't know them. I do know this: 1 lb. of sugar into 1 gallon (~8 lbs.) of water, fermented, makes about 5% alcohol.

lb:gal ~5%ABV. That's all you really need to know.

But you should be using a hydrometer to check your gravity.
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I understand how gravity works, dude. I probably couldn't have gotten to 221 posts on HBT without that little basic bit of knowledge.

I hadn't checked gravity of the juice before adding 1.5lb of honey to give me an OG of 1.060, abv 8%, since I was putting the honey into the half-full bottles and shaking the bejesus out of them before adding, so there was nothing to test original gravity in.

I appreciate the time, effort and helpful intent you put into that response. Perhaps I should have said "When using plain old filtered apple juice, what is one's usual OG"?
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I appreciate the time, effort and helpful intent you put into that response. Perhaps I should have said "When using plain old filtered apple juice, what is one's usual OG"?
I didn't check your post count, which could have saved me half an hour.
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I think you should add raisins.

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Does juice with 10 percent sugar yield 5 percent abv, due to half of the volume of the sugar being converted to carbon dioxide? I'm pretty sure it does, but just checking.
Short answer is NO.

How do you know that exactly half of the sugar becomes alcohol and half becomes CO2? Besides, you mention the "volume of sugar", but a 10% sugar solution is done by weight and ABV is volume. It's apples and oranges.

The Brix scale is basically a % sugar scale by weight. I believe brewers tend to use SG and winemakers tend to use Brix.
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Thanks. When using plain old filtered apple juice, what is one's usual OG?
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Thanks. When using plain old filtered apple juice, what is one's usual OG?
In my experience Apple Cider has an OG of about 1.05... Not sure how filtered juice compares but I would imagine that it would be a little less since there are fewer apple solids in juice. Also, different brands might come in with different OGs. I have been lucky enough to have been able to get the same brand of cider for my last 5 batches of cider


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