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Old 10-23-2012, 03:20 PM   #1
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Default Garden shredders for Apple Grinding

I just finished grinding and pressing my first batch of apples from trees I have growing in my backyard. I used a kitchenaid food grinder/sausage stuffer attachment to grind the apples and pressed them with a homemade press. I got through about a bushel of apples and got a yield of about 3.5 gallons of juice. I'm happy with that for this year, but the kitchenaid is just not going to cut it if I want to scale up in the future.

I'm a little bit handy and have thought about a building a handcrank scatter, but after factoring in the cost of some of the parts (a flywheel, stainless axle and bearings) and the time involved building it I decided I would be better off buying something.

Then I see mention of using garden shredder/chippers for apple grinding and I've seen some small shredders that sell for similar prices as a hand-powered grinder, and it looks like that's definitely the way to go.

I'm wondering which brands/models anyone here has tried. I actually have an electric chipper/shredder that I use at home and I'm sure anything similar would do a fine job of pulping apples. I thought one like this would probably be fine if I fit a hopper to it and you can't really beat the price.

What I'm most concerned about though, are things like seals around the axle to prevent juice getting into the motor, use of mild-steel parts that might corrode in the presence of the acidic juice or impart a metallic taste to the juice, ease of cleaning and sanitization, etc. If anyone has used something like this and has any information to share I'd certainly appreciate it. Thanks!

Carl

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Old 10-23-2012, 08:00 PM   #2
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I use a garden shredder, it works well but larger apples jam and have to be pushed down into the blades. Smaller apples go through like a charm, even the large apples don't take very long. I paint the internals with polyurethane paint to stop metal contact, every season, you can't avoid a small amount of contact with the blades but that doesn't seem to be detrimental. You want a shredder that can be opened up easily for cleaning. I haven't had problems with seals etc, but you would want a decent shredder not something cheap and crappy so have a look at it and see if it is suitable.
Some apple mills are just SS garden shredders, in terms of design shredders are great because they are designed to chop plant matter into little bits.

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Old 10-23-2012, 09:31 PM   #3
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... Perhaps a new garbage disposal and sink. I've seen this type of setup before.

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Sounds like you enjoy DIY........check out this site. http://www.whizbangcider.com/

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Sounds like you enjoy DIY........check out this site. http://www.whizbangcider.com/
Yep, that's what I was thinking of!
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... Perhaps a new garbage disposal and sink. I've seen this type of setup before.
Can you put whole apples through a disposal system? I can put pretty much any size through my shredder, only the very largest cooking-type apples stick, and I push them through with a piece of wood. Having to chop apples before processing is a pain.
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depends on if your making 5 gallons or a hundred. Having an all stainless disposal has it's advantages. You can 1/4 a lot of apples in a short time.

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Re: Greg... I almost gave up on my garbage disposal this year but then figured out the trick... You have to cut the apples up. Crabs and small cider apples whole will kill your disposal. Its not a huge deal though. In my experience this year, its about timing. Cut up apples (half the small ones, quarter the large ones), put them in a 3gal bag and let the disposal cool off. Grind the bag and restart to allow the disposal to cool off again. Towards the end of the day I also needed to scoop us some ground apples and re-run them through to cool off the disposal. Not ideal but it worked well enough that I can't justify the costs of a DIY scatter. I did three bushels and turned them into 8-10 gallons of cider. It took me a solid day to do it (grind and press). IF I was going to do it more than once a year, I might have to look at a new system.
What brand of shredder do you use? Is it a 100 dollar shredder or a 500 dollar shredder? Do you still shred yard waste with it or is it a dedicated apple grinder?

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Thanks for the input so far.

Re: DIY - I can do some light machining and a little carpentry, but just don't have a lot of time for that kind of thing theses days. Home repairs are keeping me busy enough.

Re: garbage disposals - I've read about it and was inclined against it because of what some have mentioned; cooling issues and need to chop the apples. Seems like it would be only moderately faster than my kitchenaid grinder.

I think if I was going to build something it would probably be a rotary/drum-type scratter. I'd just start with the basic handcrank box and hopper, but from there it would be easy enough to add a bicycle or electric motor drive.

I second sashurlow's question. What make/model of shredder do you use?

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Re: garbage disposals - I've read about it and was inclined against it because of what some have mentioned; cooling issues and need to chop the apples. Seems like it would be only moderately faster than my kitchenaid grinder.
An advantage with quartering the apples is that you can better check them for rotten spots and parasites. it only takes 3 seconds to quarter an apple. The puree that comes out is much easier to press than chunks. And there are several types of garbage disposals that have no cooling problems.
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