The Great Bottle Opener Giveaway

Home Brew Forums > Wine, Mead, Cider, Sake & Soda > Cider Forum > First failure ...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-07-2012, 11:58 AM   #1
Ubermensch74
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Canberra, ACT
Posts: 12
Likes Given: 20

Default First failure ...

G'day,

I've recently brewed a batch of apple cider with juice from the supermarket, so I thought I'd try to experiment with similar juice.

I picked up a 3 litre (0.8 gallon) bottle of Apple and Mango juice, added some SafCider yeast and crossed my fingers ...

The night I pitched it, it was a cold night so I placed it on a heat-pad overnight. Next morning it was fermenting like crazy ... air-lock popping every 2 seconds. I immediately switch off the heat-pad and let it continue at room temperature (usually around 20c / 68f).

That was about a week ago.

This evening I opened the bottle to check the gravity ... it absolutely stank of sulphur ... it was putrid. I ditched the lot of it.

The OG was 1.042 and FG was 1.01.


So ... any ideas what went wrong?


__________________
Ubermensch74 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-07-2012, 12:34 PM   #2
Apple_Jacker
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Apple_Jacker's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Hixson, TN
Posts: 470
Liked 56 Times on 45 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

Well the first thing you did wrong was throw it away. Some yeast makes bad smells, some not so much. I've read that yeast nutrient helps prevent the sulphur smell. You could have also racked the cider into a secondary container and let sit for a few weeks and then do a smell test again.

__________________
Apple_Jacker is offline
Ubermensch74 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-07-2012, 12:53 PM   #3
Ubermensch74
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Canberra, ACT
Posts: 12
Likes Given: 20

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple_Jacker View Post
Well the first thing you did wrong was throw it away. Some yeast makes bad smells, some not so much. I've read that yeast nutrient helps prevent the sulphur smell. You could have also racked the cider into a secondary container and let sit for a few weeks and then do a smell test again.
I thought I had created a monster ... (reminded me of the sulphur vents at Mt. Io in Hokkaido, Japan).

Next time I get this smell I'll take your advice and rack it into a secondary.

Thanks for the feedback!
__________________
Ubermensch74 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-07-2012, 01:03 PM   #4
JtotheA
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Aurora, IL
Posts: 184
Liked 6 Times on 6 Posts
Likes Given: 10

Default

The temporary high temp from the heating pad may have caused some extra sulphur production.

__________________
JtotheA is offline
Ubermensch74 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-09-2012, 05:27 AM   #5
outstretched
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Central Oregon
Posts: 64
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts

Default

Yeah Sulphur is completely normal. It means your yeast are pissed off. Either from being to hot or not enough nutrients. Add a 1/2 tbsp of nutrient at the start and keep the temp lower.

__________________
outstretched is offline
Ubermensch74 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-09-2012, 01:36 PM   #6
MarkKF
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Meriden, CT
Posts: 448
Liked 14 Times on 13 Posts

Default

Some of the cider specific yeasts state that it will produce sulfur but it will dissipate after a couple of weeks. My cider sits at least a month and after six months it's much better.

__________________
MarkKF is offline
Ubermensch74 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-13-2012, 03:18 AM   #7
overpunch
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: LUBBOCK, TX
Posts: 48
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 7

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermensch74 View Post
I thought I had created a monster ... (reminded me of the sulphur vents at Mt. Io in Hokkaido, Japan).

Next time I get this smell I'll take your advice and rack it into a secondary.

Thanks for the feedback!
Hey man, those black eggs were good!
__________________
overpunch is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-13-2012, 03:24 AM   #8
CreamyGoodness
Grows On You Like Yeast
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
CreamyGoodness's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Astoria, NY
Posts: 6,613
Liked 1542 Times on 1095 Posts
Likes Given: 2407

Default

Would stirring with a copper rod have helped him in this case?

__________________


You are more likely to have a threesome with members of the Japanese women's curling team whilst spinning a plate on your head than you are likely to screw up a batch of JAOM.

YES, WE HAVE TRIED OTHER YEASTS! USE BREAD YEAST FOR JAOM!

CreamyGoodness is online now
Ubermensch74 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-13-2012, 12:47 PM   #9
LeBreton
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Finger Lakes, NY
Posts: 1,100
Liked 93 Times on 81 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CreamyGoodness View Post
Would stirring with a copper rod have helped him in this case?
Yes, but copper is poison. Use only as a last resort.

The H2S smell is at it's worse when fermentation is going. Don't worry too much about it while at his stage, but if you get nervous add some nutrient as mentioned above. Once the reactions stop the smell shouldn't linger too much. If it does, here's some suggestions in rough order of personal preference:

1- Wait.
2- Rack to new carboy, then wait.
3- Degass by stirring or by bubbling with CO2 if you have the equipment.
4- Add sulfites.
5- Use copper
__________________
Bellwether Hard Cider
In all the states no door stands wider,
To ask you in to drink hard cider
LeBreton is offline
Ubermensch74 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Another First Timer, fearing failure! HeidiKitsap Cider Forum 13 11-04-2008 05:57 PM