First cider experiment, need input

HeruRaHa · 01-29-2012, 06:39 AM

So I gathered up a bunch of stuff today to start my first cider. I've got:

*1 gallon organic fresh pressed, not from concentrate, pasteurized apple juice (no preservatives, just pasteurized, pure, unfilterd juice from washed, select, ripe organic Granny Smith, Golden Delicious and Gala apples)

*2 gallon primary fermenter, about to be empty after I rack out my gallon of mead and give it a good cleaning

*pectic enzyme

*light brown sugar

*tartaric acid and citric acid -- LHBS out of malic acid

*a couple of different yeast options -- Lalvin EC-1118, Red Star Montrachet, and Cooper's Ale yeast. I've read EC-1118 can make a good cider, and I believe EdWort's Apfelwein calls for Montrachet... I wanted to get Nottingham for this batch, but LHBS was out of stock, so I settled on Cooper's which I've read is similar to Notty, and has had good results with ciders. I'm currently leaning towards the Cooper's but I could be swayed.

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So I've read a bunch of recipes, and I'll probably just base the amount of brown sugar on my hydrometer readings, shooting for a ~6-7% ABV on this one.

I've also seen recommendations to include a can of frozen apple juice concentrate in lieu of some or all of the brown sugar. Interested to hear opinions on this.

Acid blend -- I didn't know which ones would be best, but I had a feeling since LHBS was out of malic, that's what I would need, some recipes seem to concur (sweet eating/drinking apples like gala, granny smith, golden delicious are lower in malic acid than traditional cider apples). Is there a good source of malic acid I could add from readily available ingredients in my fridge/pantry/local grocery? If malic is best, can I wait to add it after primary fermentation when LHBS is back in stock, or would this have an adverse effect? Would tartaric and/or citric be just as or nearly as good as malic?

Tannins -- LHBS was also out of grape tannin. Bad day to go shopping, I guess. I've read that steeping a black tea bag and tossing the tea into the primary can help here. Bad/good idea? Same question with malic acid -- do I need to add before primary ferment or can it be added later with same result?

In all responses, please bear in mind this is my second attempt at fermentation of anything, and my first cider. I'm not necessarily shooting for an award-winner, just a good learning experience and a drinkable product, but I'd rather start off with the best possibility of success.

Thanks, looking forward to starting this experiment tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes.

**nukinfuts29** · 01-29-2012, 10:29 AM

I'll address the yeast:

Montrachet is great for wine, not so much for cider. Ed's Apfelwein is not a cider, it is a wine that's why it calls for Montrachet. It will work, but the cider will lack character that it gains from an ale yeast like Notty.

Notty is my personal favorite for cider. I have never used Coopers but have heard it runs similar to Notty, so it gets my vote.

**dinnerstick** · 01-29-2012, 11:09 AM

acids: with granny smiths in the mix i doubt you are going to lack malic acid. i would hold off on any additions. you can check the taste after fermentation and adjust if you feel it needs it, should be obvious then, it will taste bland and flabby rather than sharp. all the sugar in the unfermented juice can mask the presence (or absence) of acidity

Pickled_Pepper · 01-29-2012, 12:33 PM

I agree with both of these two posts. With what sounds like a great blend of juice, I'd start with just that first. If the hydro reading is around 1.050 or so you might not even need the extra brown sugar. You'll have a baseline for where to go with the next batch.

My vote is also for the cooper's yeast.

HeruRaHa · 01-30-2012, 05:35 AM

I'm going simple for now. Apple juice and yeast. I will add yeast nutrient if it seems like fermentation is lagging, and maybe adjust on the second batch. If anybody thinks I should throw in a little yeast nutrient to this first batch, let me know, but I see a lot of cider recipes without it.

edit: OG was 1.050 at 71F. tasted the hydrometer sample, it was very sweet but there was a nice green-apple tartness in there. I think this may come out very well with very little effort.

Also kinda chickened out at the last minute and tossed in 1/4 teaspoon of Super Ferment yeast nutrient, just to try to help the yeast from being stressed. This is a pretty small amount so I doubt it could have any detrimental effect, but might help the yeast.

Thanks for all the input, guys. We'll see how this goes!

outstretched · 01-30-2012, 07:36 AM

I usually always add in nutrient. I figure make the yeast as happy as possible and you get a lot less pissed off yeast that cause off flavors.

Do you happen to know the ratios on your apple selection (percentage wise)? I am just curious.

HeruRaHa · 01-30-2012, 05:07 PM

I don't know the ratios. I bought "Central Market HEB Organics apple juice", because it looked like an awesome unfiltered apple juice and it came in a convenient 1 gallon glass jug that will make a good secondary

I see very similar apple juice in very similar containers at different stores. This one is distributed by HEB/Central Market, which I believe is a chain exclusive to Texas, but it looks an awful lot like what I've seen at Whole Foods and other stores. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find the exact same thing from other distributors/stores.

outstretched · 01-30-2012, 07:47 PM

Awesome. When I read fresh pressed juice I thought you got it from an orchard.

owentp · 02-01-2012, 06:53 PM

so apple juice can be used instead of actual cider?

gratus fermentatio · 02-02-2012, 10:23 AM

If you use the tannin, go easy, a little bit goes a long way & it's a fine line between a nice level of tannin & a ruined cider/wine, I found that out the hard way.
Regards, GF.