Kegconnection Complete Starter Kit and More Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Wine, Mead, Cider, Sake & Soda > Cider Forum > Easy Stove-Top Pasteurizing - With Pics

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-30-2010, 12:26 AM   #131
upnoath
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Maine
Posts: 10
Default

How explosive is an over carbonated bottle in a 180 degree pot of water? Devastatingly explosive.
How fast can a shard of glass fly after said bottle explodes? Faster than you can run-faster than you sneeze; probably slightly slower than a speeding bullet, but than again- maybe not.
How far can this speeding glass travel? Far enough for shards to embed themselves in trim 14 feet from the origin of disaster.
What are your chances of surviving this experience intact? Slim to none.
How do I know this? Because a little laziness on my part just cost me three hours of cleaning cider, water and glass from a sizable kitchen after four bottles simultaneously exploded. I'm lucky though, because I tried to make sure my wife, dog, cat and myself stayed out of the room.
Had I been in the room, trauma or at the very least- an extended stay in the the emergency room.
Take heed kids. ****'s dangerous out there. Play it safe player.

__________________

Last edited by upnoath; 11-30-2010 at 11:17 AM. Reason: Ugghh
upnoath is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-30-2010, 01:16 AM   #132
Pappers_
Moderator
HBT_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Pappers_'s Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,572
Liked 888 Times on 640 Posts
Likes Given: 1952

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by upnoath View Post
How explosive is an over carbonated bottle in a 180 degree pot of water? Devastatingly explosive.
Why did you try to pasteurize an over carbonated bottle of cider?
Pappers_ is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-30-2010, 01:21 AM   #133
Pappers_
Moderator
HBT_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Pappers_'s Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,572
Liked 888 Times on 640 Posts
Likes Given: 1952

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by keithfitzpatrick View Post
So it turns out that the warnings associated with pasteurizing over carbonated bottle is spot on so DON'T DO IT.

My bottles were "gushers" before pasteurizing and sure enough one of the first three bottles exploded after placing it in the water. Luckily no one was hurt because it was a fairly deep kettle and most of the blast and shards were directed up not out. But I did lose a bottle cider and a pair of underwear.

Once again my stupidity has failed to kill me.
What is it with people trying to pasteurize overcarbonated bottles?
Pappers_ is online now
michael_mus Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-30-2010, 11:16 AM   #134
upnoath
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Maine
Posts: 10
Default

There's really no excuse. Pure laziness and the belief that an explosion wouldn't amount to much more than a few caps popping off. I learned otherwise. Mine's just another cautionary tale that further corroborates the 'bottle bombs' story. Myth confirmed.

__________________
upnoath is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-30-2010, 11:25 AM   #135
Pappers_
Moderator
HBT_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Pappers_'s Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,572
Liked 888 Times on 640 Posts
Likes Given: 1952

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pappers View Post
In another thread, someone recently posted that they left their cider too long after bottling (they had been out of town) and had two explode. Then they went ahead and tried pasteurizing some of the bottles - they exploded when they were heated up.

I am very concerned about people pasteurizing without opening a bottle to test carbonation or when they know the bottles are over-carbonated. Someone is going to get seriously hurt.
from an earlier post
Pappers_ is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-30-2010, 11:32 AM   #136
Pappers_
Moderator
HBT_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Pappers_'s Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 11,572
Liked 888 Times on 640 Posts
Likes Given: 1952

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pappers View Post
Added October 26, 2010: Through pm's and other threads, I have been chatting with people who have been trying to pasteurize bottles that are over-carbonated - in other words, they waited too long to pasteurize. Please do not do this, it is extraordinarily dangerous. Head injuries, eye injuries, flying glass shards and burns from hot liquid are all possible outcomes. Use common sense: 1) do not pasteurize a batch if you haven't opened a bottle and seen that the carbonation level is right and 2) if the bottle is over-carbonated (gushing, foam everywhere) do not do pasteurize. Rather, open the bottles and release some of the pressure before your bottles explode.

If you are doing this for the first time, if you are learning how your yeast, your juice, your processes work, test your bottles early and often, to avoid over-carbonation.
From Part II of the opening post
__________________
http://www.singingboysbrewing.com
Pappers_ is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-30-2010, 01:09 PM   #137
cyberbackpacker
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
 
cyberbackpacker's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 1,465
Liked 14 Times on 13 Posts
Likes Given: 15

Default

I just wanted to post another successful result using this process. Made up my first batch of cider on 10/10/10. Not knowing if I would like the results, I only did a two gallon batch. Stopped fermentation at 1.010 and then cold crashed until 11/23/10. Tested carbonation after 3 days, and four days. At four days it was perfect. Pasteurized with success, and now I have them in my basement cellaring for at least the next month before Christmas.

So to reiterate with Pappers... TEST THE CARBONATION! If it is over-carbonated, stick it in your fridge, and test earlier/more often next time.

If done properly, it works. On a batch of 20 bottles, I "lost" 3 to testing for carb. I still got to drink it and enjoy it. I found this no cost at all to assure I got the cider to my preferred taste/carb levels, but also SAFETY to ensure no explosions when pasteurizing.

As an aside: FYI: I went to Yuengling brewery in Pottsville, PA yesterday and they pasteurize their bottles with hot water at 140F for 12 minutes.

__________________

-Kevin
cyberbackpacker

Trinke Das Bier Das Du Gebraut Hast

cyberbackpacker is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-01-2010, 05:29 PM   #138
robert9
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: kaunas
Posts: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberbackpacker View Post
I just wanted to post another successful result using this process. Made up my first batch of cider on 10/10/10. Not knowing if I would like the results, I only did a two gallon batch. Stopped fermentation at 1.010 and then cold crashed until 11/23/10. Tested carbonation after 3 days, and four days. At four days it was perfect. Pasteurized with success, and now I have them in my basement cellaring for at least the next month before Christmas.

So to reiterate with Pappers... TEST THE CARBONATION! If it is over-carbonated, stick it in your fridge, and test earlier/more often next time.

If done properly, it works. On a batch of 20 bottles, I "lost" 3 to testing for carb. I still got to drink it and enjoy it. I found this no cost at all to assure I got the cider to my preferred taste/carb levels, but also SAFETY to ensure no explosions when pasteurizing.

As an aside: FYI: I went to Yuengling brewery in Pottsville, PA yesterday and they pasteurize their bottles with hot water at 140F for 12 minutes.
Did you use any priming solution? My cider is at 1.020 now. I am thinking about racking at 1.015 and bottling right away. will that work? My desire is slightly sweet carbonated light cider. Sg was 1.065
__________________
robert9 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-01-2010, 05:56 PM   #139
Veinman
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 286
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert9 View Post
Did you use any priming solution? My cider is at 1.020 now. I am thinking about racking at 1.015 and bottling right away. will that work? My desire is slightly sweet carbonated light cider. Sg was 1.065
You don't need to use priming sugar if its that high. You need to ferment about 2-3 points in the bottles to get a decent carbonation level. If you bottle at 1015 without priming sugar then once it falls to be about 1012 (and you've checked the level with a test bottle) you can pasteurize. If you add priming sugar you'll bump that 1015 to 1018 then let it fall back down to 1015 to pasteurize. The yeast will have food to eat and thus carb up your bottles eitheway. Just make sure you have a reading at bottling time and are carefully watching your bottles by opening one every few days to avoid gushers and a dangerous explosion when pasteurizing.
__________________
Veinman is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-01-2010, 06:22 PM   #140
cyberbackpacker
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
 
cyberbackpacker's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 1,465
Liked 14 Times on 13 Posts
Likes Given: 15

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert9 View Post
Did you use any priming solution? My cider is at 1.020 now. I am thinking about racking at 1.015 and bottling right away. will that work? My desire is slightly sweet carbonated light cider. Sg was 1.065
Yes I did use priming sugar. I punched in my desire carb levels into beer smith, and then used that amount of corn sugar (I did not want it to dry out any further).
__________________

-Kevin
cyberbackpacker

Trinke Das Bier Das Du Gebraut Hast

cyberbackpacker is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help out a first attempt at Cider, couple of easy questions Drscott266 Cider Forum 10 12-08-2012 01:01 AM
Easy cider. Tips for making it better? artyboy Cider Forum 9 09-04-2012 05:53 PM
easy 1 gallon recipe? sconnie Cider Forum 18 04-03-2011 01:12 AM
Who knew how easy... paperairplane Cider Forum 8 11-09-2009 02:48 AM
Cheap and easy cider Confucius Cider Forum 5 05-25-2009 06:54 PM