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Old 01-04-2012, 11:16 PM   #1
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Default created a new recipe today "creamy oat and caramel apple cider"

well I started it today but I have been thinking about it for weeks and reading a bunch of other results using similar techniques so I have a fairly good idea of how it will turn out.

Recipe Type: Apple Cider
Yeast: Montrachet
Yeast Starter: no
Batch Size (Gallons): 1
Original Gravity: 1.065 (calculated)

Ingredients
4 12oz cans 100% natural apple concentrate
48oz water
1 tsp malic acid
1/2 tsp pectic enzyme
Montrachet wine yeast
1/2 tsp yeast nutrients
1 quart "oat milk" *
2 cups home made caramelized sugar syrup**

I don't like chemicals so you won't here me talk abut a sanitizing solution other than good old fashioned boiling water. I started by emptying the 4 cans of concentrate in to a stock pot along with 48oz of warm filtered water (warm to help the concentrate melt). After the concentrate dissolved I took an SG reading and came up with 1.085 or a PA of some where in the 11% area. I then added 1 tsp of acid blend and tasted the juice to see how it was. Fantastic!! strong apple flavors with a slight tartness, a little overly sweet but the yeast will fix that I then added 1 quart of "oat milk" and tasted it again. same flavor as before with a slight nutty under tone and more importantly a creamy mouth feel. I then placed a candy thermometer in the solution and heated it up to 170º F While it was heating I took a 1 gallon glass jug and filled it with boiling water and set it on the counter to sterilize while the apple oat solution came up to temp. once the solution was up to temp I added yeast nutrient and then dumped the hot water out of the jug and filled the bottle with the apple solution. After it cools down to the point where the jug is warm to the touch I will add the pectic enzyme and tomorrow I will pitch the yeast. After it ferments out dry DRY DRY I will add the caramel syrup and bottle. From there I will check the CO2 levels daily until the correct CO2 has ben reached and I will pasteurize.

other notes
At the top it says the SG is 1.065 (calculated) but in the directions it said my SG was 1.085 That is because the solids in the oat milk will trow off your hygrometer readings so you need to measure before you add the oat milk and then multiply the 85 from the 1.085 * .75 and the number you get replaces the 85 in 1.085. so the calculated result is 1.065. this number also coincides with the calculations I did based on the number grams of sugar in 4 cans of concentrate in 1 gallon of total solution. Also the SG would indicate an ABV of some where in the 8.5% range which is IMHO a little high. This was done on purpose as the oat milk will produce about 1" of sediment and so extra water will need to be added to top off after the first racking. This should bring the final ABV done closer to 6-7% where I want it

* oat milk
2 cups raw quaker oats
6-8 cups of water

place the oats on a cookie sheet and bake at 325º for 20 minus. remove from oven and let them cool, then place them in a sealed paper bag for a few days. Once the oats have rested bring 6 cups of water to a boil and add the 2 cups of oats. reduce the heat to a simmer and let sit for at least an hour. Once the oats have had a chance to break down use a sieve to strain out and discard the chunks. You may have to add more water to get the "milk" to separate from the oat solids. What will be left is a some what thin (kind of like olive oil in thickness) white liquid. Return the oat milk to the heat and simmer on medium until you have a 1 quart of liquid. then pore it in to a preheated quart jar, put a lid on it and allow it to cool. once cool it can be placed in the fridge until you are ready to use it. prior to using it run it through a straining cloth. when cold it should be a little thicker (kind of like hot gravy)

**caramelized sugar syrup

The following is my own version of a caramel syrup illustrated in this thread
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/20-l...trient-114837/

Really the only difference between mine and his is I use white and brown sugar and I don't use DAP. By not using the DAP you are required to heat the sugar up hotter to get the same effect.

To make the caramel syrup take 1 lb white sugar and 1 lb brown sugar and 1 cup of water. Mix together and bring the mix to a boil over medium heat. Using a candy thermometer, stop the boil at 300º F by SLOWLY adding a about a cup of hot water while gently stirring the solution. Be careful as the mix will spit out hot bits. After adding the water you will need to dissolve the syrup by stirring gently until the solution reaches the stage called soft ball (240F). This is when the syrup is done. Stop the cooking by submerging the pan in cool water or by transferring the syrup to a preheated mason jar. The final product should have a nice dark brown color similar to a dark beer and should have a strong caramel flavor but should not have a burned flavor. Make sure you taste it after it cools because if it tastes burnt it will ruin your cider.


I will keep everyone updated on how this cider turns out

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Old 01-05-2012, 04:24 PM   #2
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here are a few pix of my "oat milk" and cider.

The first one is the oat milk. At the top there is about 1" of liquid. That liquid is really what you want. everyday the mix would settle a little more and I am sure had I left it in the fridge long enough the top half would have been liquid and the bottom half would have been fairly solid.

The reason I did not let it settle out and just use the liquid from the top is because I wanted to impart at much of the nutty flavor as I could, plus even though the oats are non-fermentable, I figured it would give them a little something extra to chew on (nutrient wise). You may also notice in the picture that the oat milk has little dark flecks in it. These were oat solids that were completely filtered out when I strained it through a cotton cloth.

Here is a pic of the oat milk and cider in the jug just after I added the pectic enzyme. as you can see it is a bit hazy and there is well over 1" of sediment in the bottom. This morning when pitched the yeast the juice was about 95% clear and the sediment at the bottom had compacted to be just under 1" As it ferments the oat solids should continue to drop out and the solids at the bottom should continue to settle reducing its thickness.

The only other thing I don't like at the moment is the color. The oat milk liquid is yellow in color and has given my cider an orange look. I am not to worried about it as the caramel syrup will be a dark brown and will have a drastic effect on the color of the final product.

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Old 01-05-2012, 09:00 PM   #3
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Very cool. I've been playing with simple ciders lately. I started trying cider right after peak cider time locally. Of course. So I've been playing with different juices to get some ideas on what's good added, what yeasts I like, etc.

You're a little more creative than I am.

I'm really curious to know how the caramel affects the flavor. My wife loves caramel apples so I wonder if she'd like that. There's also a chance she just likes really sweet apples, though, and it won't help at all.

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Does your homemade caramel mix nicely or leave stringy goopy delicious bits? I've been thinking about using a homemade syrup like yours for backsweetening before bottling but I want it to mix thoroughly.

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As a side note, nice to see a fellow Idahoan.

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As a side note, nice to see a fellow Idahoan.

Two potatoes are standing on a street corner. How do you tell which one is the hooker?


..... The one that says Idaho.



That joke just never seems to get old.
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Does your homemade caramel mix nicely or leave stringy goopy delicious bits? I've been thinking about using a homemade syrup like yours for backsweetening before bottling but I want it to mix thoroughly.
the trick to getting a sugar syrup to dissolve is to thin it before you add it to final product. In the case of this batch of cider I will ether mix some fresh apple juice with it first to thin it out, or I will use some of my cider to thin it out. once it is well mixed with the thinning liquid I can simply pore it in the main batch of cider and stir.
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Two potatoes are standing on a street corner. How do you tell which one is the hooker?


..... The one that says Idaho.



That joke just never seems to get old.
Hmmm, I read your joke and though, "That is terrible" but at the same time found myself laughing and wanting to read it again... Ahhh, hurray for corny jokes!

OK, back on topic!

Nice looking brew! I might have to try my hand at this recipie someday! But of course I want to try my hand at everything... so it might have to wait a bit! lol
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How's it going? Yeah, I've seen a bunch on the forum from Moscow and Coeur D'Alene, but it seems like the only drinkers in southern Idaho are rednecks with cheap bourbon and mormons trying to hide their "hard" ice tea. Not much market for nice beer or interest in making your own.
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Yeah, they must stay off the 'net. We've got about 3 decent brew stores here in the Treasure Valley. Also, there is another very local brewing forum that they may go to, but not as much good info on ciders over there.

I'll admit I'm not much of a beer maker (1 pale ale from extracts) but I am several batches of cider in and several batches of fruit wine. Also got 6 gallons worth of Syrah grapes from a local grower last fall that are aging away in my cellar (cough, closet). I think I'll have to do that annually.

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