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Old 11-30-2013, 01:30 PM   #11
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Now that I think about it, I could probably just top this little bit off with regular cider or even apple juice since there wouldn't be a whole lot of fuel for the yeast. I was just thinking to use some hard cider to avoid getting more lees in this carboy so it can mellow out for a couple of months and get nice and clear. When I siphoned some into a glass it had pretty good clarity but it's hard to tell from this picture.
Each time you add sugar (fresh cider), you feed the yeast and create more lees. You're racking to get away from the lees, so don't create more. Topping with hard cider is a better choice ifvyou must.

Rack, seal with an airlock, and forget about it for a while. A smaller carboy would help, but you have to work with what you have.

Adding campden at racking will also help to prevent oxidation.


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Old 11-30-2013, 10:57 PM   #12
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I'm in a similar boat. I should have left well enough alone.. sort of. What I should have done is to rack my cider into two 1g jugs and messed with them individually. I mentioned in a different post that I was at 1.010 sg. Well, I'm now at 1.002..It MIGHT get below that. But, what I did was to siphon out 1 liter and added a small amount of Bitter Apple extract.. that stuff is VERY concentrated... Well, I added too much (2ml/liter).. added a bit of Balanced Acid too.. along with some Stevia. I'm too bitter in the test.. so, I cut back on it in the large batch… but, it might still be too bitter.

I think what I'll do is to boil up some water to sanitize it and add a can of frozen apple concentrate to sweeten it back up.. and let it carb just a bit.. then pasteurize. That will be my first batch.. Now I know better. Turned out to be 7.5%.. so I think I can get away with diluting a bit with the AJ. Should cut down on the bitterness.. add some sweetness and a tad of carbonation. Good project for tomorrow. Guess I learned a bit from this first iteration..



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Old 12-02-2013, 05:26 AM   #13
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I was going to add some Angry Orchard "Sinful" to top it up, but I saw that there were sulfites in it. I was thinking I want to be able to sweeten/back-carb with some corn sugar at some point so I didn't want to get the sulfites in there and kill off the yeast. I just topped it with some organic apple juice for now.

I'm at a loss as to what I should do at this point. I didn't anticipate the racking losses and now I'm not sure what the best course of action is. Maybe I should just start drinking it all!

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Old 12-02-2013, 10:26 AM   #14
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Typically I use an inert gas to 'top off' my carboy. If you have co2 handy it works. I don't, so I use a can of argon gas and spray it in to displace the air. They sell it at your lhbs.

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Old 12-03-2013, 07:29 AM   #15
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That's really cool, I didn't know they sold gas like that. I can see how that would work.

Since I added the apple juice to top it off it's been bubbling a little bit and there are still about 1/4" or so of lees already at the bottom. So I'm planning to rack it again to the ale pail and then back to a clean carboy. This time I'll have to be more careful not to suck up any lees and when I rack it I'll be ready to anticipate racking losses either by adding gas or adding finished cider and accept that I won't be able to back-carb it (which I don't think is so bad, it was just my original plan).

Thanks again for the great advice!

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Old 12-03-2013, 09:01 AM   #16
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My pleasure. Hope it comes out great! :-)



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