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Old 11-21-2011, 04:17 PM   #1
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Two years ago I made some cider from some apples purchased at a local market using a store bought juicer. It was messy and and inefficient.

This year I bought 5 50-60 pound boxes of apples mostly from a grower in the Okanagan Valley (BC, Canada). 6 weeks later my press and grinder are finally built. The press is a standard hydraulic car jack A-frame and the grinder is a costco sourced 3/4 horse power garbage disposal. For racks I used some 1/2" cutting board scored to 5mm (1/5") deep at 1" intervals with both sides scored one side running 90 degrees from the other.

Last night I pressed my first box of apples. Overall it went well enough for my first time though I suspect it could have gone better. We got 10-11 litres of juice from a 50lb box. I doubt that yield could have got that much better. However I suspect that everything else could have. My racks slid around, some cheeses pressed better than others, it took longer per pressing than I had hoped and the mess was huge.

I learned a few things:
1) Consistency of cheese thickness matters. Some of my racks came through the process unharmed and others are permanently bowed. If I could make cheeses of perfect consistency then I believe that I could get better, faster and cleaner results.
2) How you fold the cheese cloth matters. We had a few spill open. Also see number 1 above.
3) A sanitary staging area is required. We did the washing and grating in the kitchen. That worked well enough. However we pressed the apples in the garage due to anticipated mess and a little bit of fear of the pressure the press is under. For the remaining apples I think I am going to buy a plastic folding table. That way I can sanitize the surface and we can work from it.
4) Clean-up is a huge amount of the effort.
5) Plan ahead for topping off containers of pressed cider. I need to add a litre to prevent further oxidization of my juice. I hope 20 or so hours won't hurt
6) Better Carboy mouth size is just a little larger than a bathroom sink drain which is what I used to allow the juice to run out of the base of the press.
7) Garbage disposals are hard to clean.
8) Food safe epoxy paint is very hard to find. I ended up using butcher block sealer.
9) Working outdoors would allow much easier clean up (garden hose).
10) Make sure that there is room between the legs of the garbage disposal stand for your bucket.

Now I have questions.

1) Is it better to use thinner cheeses more often? Is there an optimal thickness of cheese? What is the best way to ensure consistency?
2) Is it better to press less cheeses at a time?
3) How can I store 11L of juice for a week? I've put 3 campden tabs in the carboy and I am storing it in my garage which will remain below 7c for the week. Should I put it outside and allow it to freeze?
4) How can I best clean out the garbage disposal? I ran so much water through it last night and there are still chunks coming out. Unless otherwise advised I am going to remove it from the mount tonight and run water through it backwards.
5) Are there large food safe bags? I think I would like to line my grater receiving bucket to help speed clean up next time.
6) Can I seal the edge of my bottom rack with silicone? Are all kitchen silicones food safe? I am afraid that there are apple bits or juice under the border.
7) Is there any problem making the base (bottom rack) out of acrylic sheet? I can't seem to find HDPE.
8) How long should each pressing take? We seem to be able to wash and grate apples far faster than press them. Is this normal?
9) Whizbangcider.com bases are now made out of stainless steel. I wonder if there is a cheaper way to achieve that type thing.

The frame design I used came from the book Cider: Making, Using & Enjoying Sweet & Hard Cider by Annie Proulx and Lew Nichols. The same design is described here.

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Old 11-21-2011, 08:45 PM   #2
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I built my first press a couple months ago and learned from trial and error, i'll elaborate where I can:

1) i used a basket style of press. I wanted to make sure that my cheeses (singular in my case) didnt slide around and topple like i've read in other articles
2) with a basket, I would say yes. without a basket you might be able to press faster. That said, half the fun of pressing day is getting the neighbors together to hang out and have a good time. Speed for me anyway, isnt a factor.
3) I put sodium metabisulfite into my must as the apples are ground up. I put way WAY too much in this year though and the juice never oxidized, and I still had some issues with getting fermentation to kick off. I put 1tsp per 2-3 gallons of ground applesauce where in reality I should have used somewhere like 1/4-1/2 teaspoon worth for a full 5 gallon bucket of must. If you add your campden after pressing, I would think the 1 tab per gallon of juice would be sufficient to store it for a week to keep it from oxidizing.
4) You cant. garbage disposals have nooks and crannies everywhere. They werent made to clean up afterward and reuse them for food prep. My best advice to you would be to run it with the garden hose running water through it, then afterwards, use a bleach solution to rinse it out as best you can. then store it for the next pressing. Before the next pressing, the apples should be dried and should flake off right away. turn it on, let the dried bits fall out/shoot out of it. then run a good few gallons of hot water through it and finally sanitize right before you're ready to puree.
5) not sure what you're getting at but i'm sure there are food safe bags to line 5 gallon buckets with at a resturaunt supply shop.
6) Most silicone is NOT safe for food use. You need specialized caulking to come in contact with your food. the resturaunt supply will hook you up with this as well. Side note, it'll take a few weeks to properly harden and bits can still flake off into your juice. Personally I just built my press tray out of oak flooring and once I pressed enough apples, the wood had swelled enough to seal up any cracks. anything larger, the bits of apple sealed them in eventually.
7) not sure, cant comment, I dont use any bottom plates. I use all wood in my rig.
8) I was able to press a full basket (about a 5 gallon bucket worth) of fuji apples in about 30-45 minutes, and i consider that rushing it. I would give each 5 gallon press a good hour. Press it down, let the juice drain, every 5-10 minutes, go check it and if it needs more, then press it down again.
9) cant comment, never used a whizbang.

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Old 11-22-2011, 03:26 PM   #3
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Just a note on freezing liquid and glass the liquid will win the fight and you will have a bigger mess to deal with. At 7C it shouldnt freeze but be careful.

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