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billc68 06-12-2010 06:29 PM

Apflewein mistake, can I fix it?
 
So I decided to try Ed Wort's Apflewein but I decided to add a wee bit of cinnamon and butmeg for some apple pie flavour. No prblem but I thought boiling 4-6 liters out of a 23 liter batch would help infuse some flavour. I have sinced learne dthat boiling makes it cloudy.

What causes the cloudiness in the boil and is it possible to clarify the cider?

I did purchase a two step clarifier from the LHBS, kielsosol and something else. Is this pointless? or will it work?

ChshreCat 06-12-2010 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by billc68 (Post 2108525)
I decided to add a wee bit of cinnamon and butmeg for some apple pie flavour

eeew... buttmeg... ;)

Not sure how the clarifiers will work with that. If it were me, I'd just leave it cloudy and just think of it more as a wine-like cider.

billc68 06-12-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChshreCat (Post 2108538)
eeew... buttmeg... ;)

Not sure how the clarifiers will work with that. If it were me, I'd just leave it cloudy and just think of it more as a wine-like cider.

yeah, butmeg... never tried it? adds quite an aroma to anything you brew.


oops :drunk: can't change it now that you commented on it!

KillerKellers 06-12-2010 07:42 PM

How long has it been in the primary? I've done a few batches, and it takes mine at least a month and a half to clear up after adding only dextrose.

CandleWineProject 06-13-2010 12:13 AM

Boiling it allows the pectin to activate. Pectin, as in, making jam and jelly. That's what causes the cloudiness.

There are products out there to help clear it. I personally like pectic enzyme, but that is usually added before the yeast. I would just drink it cloudy, but be aware that you will get some fall out forever, including after you bottle.

billc68 06-13-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CandleWineProject (Post 2108921)
Boiling it allows the pectin to activate. Pectin, as in, making jam and jelly. That's what causes the cloudiness.

There are products out there to help clear it. I personally like pectic enzyme, but that is usually added before the yeast. I would just drink it cloudy, but be aware that you will get some fall out forever, including after you bottle.

That sucks, oh well, I'll know for next time. I plan to make a fruit wine this fall and was think I should pasteurize the juice, I am guessing, I can heat but not boil it to kill all the bad yeasties.

Yooper 06-13-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by billc68 (Post 2108940)
That sucks, oh well, I'll know for next time. I plan to make a fruit wine this fall and was think I should pasteurize the juice, I am guessing, I can heat but not boil it to kill all the bad yeasties.

You don't want to heat juice. Well, I wouldn't heat juice. You'll set the pectins, have "cooked" flavor, etc.

If you want to make wine out of fruit, most people use campden tablets (sulfites). They work very well, and in low amounts aren't detectable in taste. They disipate over time, so often a little bit is added at bottling. I use sulfites when making the must, and at every other racking, since potassium metabisulfite is also an antioxidant. It keeps oxygen from binding to the wine during racking and storage.

CandleWineProject 06-13-2010 04:01 AM

To add to Yooper, the sulfites kind of knock the bad bugs on their butts to give the yeast enough time to get started, take all the oxygen out of the juice, and then the nutrients and sugar so that the bugs have nothing to eat. This is the method pretty much all professional wine makers use.

Don't heat up the juice!

oldmate 06-13-2010 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CandleWineProject (Post 2109166)
To add to Yooper, the sulfites kind of knock the bad bugs on their butts to give the yeast enough time to get started, take all the oxygen out of the juice, and then the nutrients and sugar so that the bugs have nothing to eat. This is the method pretty much all professional wine makers use.

Don't heat up the juice!

I pasteurise the juice by simmering on a hot plate until just before it starts to boil. No cloudiness, and does a decent job at killing all the nasty bugs. The only reason for this is that if I want to share my cider around, sulfites are a common allergenic so I have to remember to tell everyone!

billc68 06-13-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmate (Post 2109171)
I pasteurise the juice by simmering on a hot plate until just before it starts to boil. No cloudiness, and does a decent job at killing all the nasty bugs. The only reason for this is that if I want to share my cider around, sulfites are a common allergenic so I have to remember to tell everyone!

I was thinking the same thing, my mother in law loves wine, but can only drink a small amount of rose or a white, however she loves red but it gives her headaches. I would like to produce a oure "organic" plum wine or even an apple cider or a mead with no sulphites.


Also what about making wine from a kit and not using sulphites? how can I get away with it?


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