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Old 11-17-2013, 11:49 PM   #1
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Default Apfelwein vs cider vs cyser

Can somebody please clear up the differences?

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Old 11-18-2013, 12:17 AM   #2
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Apfelwine- 9+% abv

Cider- 3-9% abv

Cyser- combination of cider and honey, usually in the Apfelwine range for abv.

Hope that helps! :-)

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Old 11-18-2013, 12:55 AM   #3
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Very much so, thanks!

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Apfelwine- 9+% abv

Cider- 3-9% abv
Not true. There is no difference between Apfelwein and Cider, other than the words themselves (Apfelwein is the German word, Cider is the English word, and in Austria it's called Most) - they are all one and the same. The commercial German Apfelwein is typically between 4 and 8% ABV.

Apfelwein existed long, long before the inventors of the internet were even born.
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I am quoting from the BJCP guidelines. Not at all disputing that the Germans make a low abv apfelwine, but the OP asked for the DIFFERENCES between them. Abv (IMO) is one of the best ways to differentiate between the different styles.

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I am quoting from the BJCP guidelines. Not at all disputing that the Germans make a low abv apfelwine, but the OP asked for the DIFFERENCES between them. Abv (IMO) is one of the best ways to differentiate between the different styles.
It's Apfelwein, not Apfelwine, and BJCP doesn't get to redefine what Apfelwein means just because Edwort posted a recipe here in 2007. That would be akin to me posting a recipe in China redefining what American IPA means, solely according to my own taste preference and recipe, and them starting to judge according to my recipe. Do you see how silly that sounds?
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It is a tad pedantic to run on about spelling and such, no? Especially since "apfelwein" isn't actually in the style guide.

It would be much more helpful to point out that, although many people have made alcohol in many ways, what would be considered traditional Apfelwein in Europe does not match the BJCP's description of AppleWine (28c) even thought the names are similar.

They style guide even warns of confusion, and I agree with WilliamSlayer that it is a fine reference for these kinds of distinctions.

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Sorry I asked lol

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Sorry I asked lol
. Meh, never be sorry for asking a question! Sometimes a thread can go in unexpected directions, though
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Sorry I asked lol
How dare you ask such an inflammatory question. I have never seen a disagreement on here or any forum for that matter!!
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