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Old 03-24-2010, 07:58 PM   #1
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Default Anybody ever try adding hops to cider ?

Im wondering how it would turn out. Possibly a cider that tastes more like beer ?
Apple beer ? Its something I have thought about and just wondering if anybody has tried it.

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Old 03-24-2010, 08:09 PM   #2
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Try searching for graff. I believe that there have been several discussions on dry hopping cider that has been brewed with various malt forms.

I have not tried it personally yet - I've got a batch thats clearing that I may try this with depending on how it tastes. I believe, from my reading, that the results have been somewhat of a mixed bag depending on the receipe/hops used/and point at which they were added. What I gather is that hopping cider is something that should be done with a certain amount of restraint otherwise the hops can easily over power/conflict with your cider.

Hopefully someone with signficantly more experience will chime in here and more adequately guide you in the right direction.

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Old 03-24-2010, 08:12 PM   #3
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Yes. GRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!

Graff does indeed taste like, well apple beer.

It's quite good in my opinion.

I find the 0.5 oz hops a little low for my tastes, I may try making a Graff IPA using Summit hops for bittering and flavor.
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Hopefully this isn't hijacking the thread......but.....

AZ_IPA what have you been using for hopping your graff's? I've got a honey graff I'm waiting on to clear and I was considering a light dry hop with once its done. I'm pretty noobe at this and was thinking of using a little bit of Cascades because I used orange blossum honey in the graff. I heard (not experienced) that Cascades had some citrus like aromatic properties and I was hoping that it might compliment the honey I used. Any thoughts on the matter?

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AZ_IPA what have you been using for hopping your graff's? I've got a honey graff I'm waiting on to clear and I was considering a light dry hop with once its done. I'm pretty noobe at this and was thinking of using a little bit of Cascades because I used orange blossum honey in the graff. I heard (not experienced) that Cascades had some citrus like aromatic properties and I was hoping that it might compliment the honey I used. Any thoughts on the matter?
I've just been following the BrandonO recipe, which I think is a 0.5 oz of low% AA hops boiled for 30 minutes. I use cascade.

I would think any of the American "C" hops would be worth trying as a dry hop for a honey graff.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:28 PM   #6
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Sweet. Thanks for the advice. Now all I gotta do is wait for the stuff to clear, and as Tom Petty said "the waiting is the hardest part".

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Looks interesting , but the recipes and discussion I am seeing about it include malt extract or grains in the recipe. Thats not a bad idea and probably gets the best flavor but I am thinking along the lines of just cider , nothing else, with hops.

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Chris, while I am not the best person to advise you on this, I think one of the attractions to graff is that the addition of malt extract and grains allows for a more fully rounded drink.

One of the reasons I tried brewing a honey graff was because I am in Florida and I don't have access to good, fresh juice blends that are suitable for brewing a good simple cider. The first several batches of cider that I made lacked any body and truthfully any real flavor because I didn't have good juice. For me it is kinda along the lines of adding raisin, tea and lemon juice to build a more complex, well rounded drink.

I think if you start with a good base juice to make your cider and then try hopping/dry hopping you might, and I stress might, be able to get something that is worth the effort. On the other hand I would think that hopping a cider made from commercial store bought juice might be like trying to make a song out two notes where the notes aren't necessarily even in the same key.

That being said I am still very new at this. Give it a try this forum seems to be all about experimenting and building on knowledge. The one big thing that I have gleaned about hopping cider, and it is something I will adhere to if I hop my graff, is to do so in small quantities

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Old 03-24-2010, 10:37 PM   #9
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True. I have had some good success with Musselmans brand cider bought at many stores including wal mart , which might be an option for you to if you havent tried it yet. I agree adding the malt would make it better but I may try it once without just to see how it comes out. It would be about like hopped wine but if carbonated may turn out good.

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well, to my tastes hops and apples don't go together, aroma-wise. If you boiled the hops long enough in a little water or something, it could make up for the low bitterness of a juice lacking in tannin, but I wouldn't dry hop a cider that was made from just juice and no malt. It would be like putting garlic and chillies in a chocolate cake to me.

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