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Old 04-08-2006, 02:54 AM   #1
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Hey guys, I've seen a few comments on putting ale yeasts on cider to make it dryer, Does this work and aside from dryness does it affect the taste of the cider any other way, Some of my ciders come out a bit on the sweet side and I would like them a bit dryer but don't want to make it taste beery.
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I've used dried ale yeasts for most of my ciders. Since they tend to be very neutral, I haven't noticed any" beery" flavors. If you plan on adding sugar to boost the ABV, a cider yeast will handle higher levels than most ale yeasts. I'm planning on using a red wine yeast on my next batch of blackberry cider.

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What kind of yeast are you using now? I thought that Champagne yeast made it dryer and Ale made it sweeter?

I used Champagne yeast on my last and only so far cider and it was dryer than I wanted. I'm really interested in hearing how you got your's to be sweet. Did you carb it or leave it still?

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Up till now I have been using whitelabs english cider yeast, exclusively for the last year, reculturing from the same tube I got last may.
I have always carbed the cider(the wife likes bubbbles) but last year I added a heap of apple/pear juice to try to adjust the flavour, someone told me that Strongbow uses lots of pear juice in their ciders and that is what my wife used to drink, so I was trying to clone it for her. I ended up giving it away as Xmas pressies because it was too sweet for her, All other comments were that it was very nice and like a sweet champagne. Maybe it was the added juice that was so sweet but I have added heaps of extra juice before and not turned them really sweet. I do add a bit of dextrose though no more than 1/2 - 1 kg less when I add heaps of juice.
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someone told me that Strongbow uses lots of pear juice in their ciders
If it's the UK 'Strongbow' made by Bulmers They don't put any pear juice in their ciders.
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No the aussie Bulmers Strongbow premium draught alcoholic cider has approx. 10% pear juice, or so it says on the label.

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Pear Juice? That's not allowed in cider! that's a cider/perry mongel!
I guess it's a 'legally permitted ingredient' with the 'oddball' Aussie Laws you have to suffer. I can imagine your pain. All that Sun, up to your arse in mangoes as a kid, and now worried about yeast. I have the following words of sympathy to offer -

"you F'*king B*st&rd! It should have been me....."

But back to the question - I use ale yeast for cider (and my recent experiments with a hard lemonade). It's neutral taste wise and works well - I prime and bottle it as per beer for a dryer version that needs a little aging.

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Cheers for that guys, sorry I was so long replying, I had to wade through 3 feet of Mangoes to reach the computer Haha!
I have decidede to do two half bbatches, one with the cider yeast, and the other witht he dry ale yeast (youngs 514). I'll see how the turn out, Hey Caplan if you happen to be in Oz in December, drop by I neeed a hand to pick the fruit!
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Cheers for that guys, sorry I was so long replying, I had to wade through 3 feet of Mangoes to reach the computer Haha!
I have decidede to do two half bbatches, one with the cider yeast, and the other witht he dry ale yeast (youngs 514). I'll see how the turn out, Hey Caplan if you happen to be in Oz in December, drop by I neeed a hand to pick the fruit!
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Cheers for that guys, sorry I was so long replying, I had to wade through 3 feet of Mangoes to reach the computer Haha!
I have decidede to do two half bbatches, one with the cider yeast, and the other witht he dry ale yeast (youngs 514). I'll see how the turn out, Hey Caplan if you happen to be in Oz in December, drop by I neeed a hand to pick the fruit!
Alx
Experiments are always worth trying - report your findings on this forum. If I ever reach Oz Alx i'll try for December as long as you've got a few 'mango ciders' lined up as payment!
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