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Old 02-06-2012, 03:02 AM   #11
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under 1.000 or until it stops fermenting.
ec-1118 needs a lot of aging so forget about it for six months at least.
Six months? And I suspect this is before bottling.


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Old 02-06-2012, 03:08 AM   #12
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depending on temps and nutrition of course. ec-1118 does tend to make a hot brew that takes a long time to age out.
so leave it for ages which will also make sure its fermented completely. 6 months may be overkill but that depends on how slow its been fermenting.
aging time 6-12 months.
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Mead is the liquid of patience =)
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:10 AM   #14
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however ec-1118 is not a great yeast taste wise. others like k1v-1116 are far better.

your not going to stop ec-1118. only way to get a sweet mead is to let it ferment it bone dry, then rack it off the yeast, stabilize and then backsweeten.
IME, not at all true. My first traditional mead batches were using regional wildflower honey and EC-1118... I formulated it so that it would finish NOT dry. EC-1118 left little, if any, [yeast] flavors with the honey really coming through. Of course, the honey was strong in flavor to start with which, IMO, is really important (almost critical).

My first batches went to 18% (my goal) and I knew they would need to age for a year, or so, before putting any into a glass. Another case where patience is seriously rewarded.

I also made a blackberry melomel at the same time. Using D47 and it wasn't all that good earlier (at about 8-9 months old).

Essentially, don't tread mead making like you would brewing beer.
Some basics I've picked up from people doing this for more than a few years...
1. Don't heat the honey. Keeping it under 110-100F is considered better than going warmer. Even IF you do think you need to pasteurize the honey, keep it as low as possible (~140F would be the absolute highest I would go).
2. Select honey that you enjoy the flavor of.
3. Ingredient quality is critical. Quality in, quality out.
4. Be selective about which yeast you pick. Treat it right and you'll be well rewarded. Most mazers I know use Lalvin strains for their yeast.
5. Depending on how strong you want to make the mead, you have options for nutrient additions. You can select to step-feed it nutrient, but stop at/by the 1/3 break point (where 1/3 of the sugars have been consumed by the yeast).
6. If you're going for a high ABV batch, plan to step feed it the honey as well. Start off formulating to about 14%. Once it's been fermenting a bit (don't let it go too far, stop when it's about 1/2 way through) start feeding it more honey. You'll need to figure out the end volume, including the additional honey when you start the batch. Start with the same amount of water you would have initially, but less honey. It's not that difficult once you think about it a bit.
7. If you're not going to use the above method, then you'll want to make sure you use enough yeast, and get it going before pitching it into the high gravity must. Otherwise you can shock the yeast and it will have serious issues.
8. Mead needs more nutrient than beer does. Basically, even though honey contains a good amount of sugar (about 70-80% sugar content) it contains little of the other things yeast need in order to do their thing. This is why you add nutrient and/or energizer to a must.

I also found the forums on the Got Mead? site to be [normally] very helpful. The calculator tool on the main site is also a good starting point for formulating how much honey to get the mead to meet your goal.
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I also found the forums on the Got Mead? site to be [normally] very helpful. The calculator tool on the main site is also a good starting point for formulating how much honey to get the mead to meet your goal.
gotmead.com ??? Pffft. Haha jk. They are okay but too many people I sort of like it more on HBT because it is a more personal community and experience, for me anyways.
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gotmead.com ??? Pffft. Haha jk. They are okay but too many people I sort of like it more on HBT because it is a more personal community and experience, for me anyways.
They can be helpful, when they want to be. Unfortunately, some of them have been making mead for so long that they don't remember how newbee's feel.

I know a few people from the site and communicate with them offline more these days. There's one, Canadian mead wench in particular, that seems to enjoy doing odd things with Chevy parts.
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IME, not at all true. My first traditional mead batches were using regional wildflower honey and EC-1118... I formulated it so that it would finish NOT dry. EC-1118 left little, if any, [yeast] flavors with the honey really coming through. Of course, the honey was strong in flavor to start with which, IMO, is really important (almost critical).

My first batches went to 18% (my goal) and I knew they would need to age for a year, or so, before putting any into a glass.

and what did i say that wasn't true?

you didn't stop the yeast, you let it ferment out. also you aged it for 12 months as i mentioned. hot isn't related to yeast flavors. also being sweet tends to hide a lot of bad tastes as well.

its very hard to stop such a rocket yeast at the normal 12-14% range. cold crashing can work to a degree but it doesn't always stop where you want it.
hence its just easier to let it ferment out.
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This is probably common knowledge but ime and IMO? And I planned on making a sweet mead and preferably a little stronger and was wandering any good yeasts for those goals and and what energizers or nutrients are needed thanks again for all the help


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