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Old 02-10-2013, 02:58 PM   #1
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Default Bread Yeast cyser in 1ry can add ec 1118 in secondary?

Yep, I started a apple juice and honey cyser ( no water) using bread yeast. I do have some ec 1118. I am thinking of racking into the secondary, adding more honey and juice and dry pitching the 1118. Where will this leave it flavor wise? I do not use a hydrometer, and probably will not for a while yet.

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Old 02-10-2013, 05:06 PM   #2
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I would just let the bread yeast do its thing, taste it and then decide what you want to do with it.

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Old 02-10-2013, 06:57 PM   #3
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I really don't know what will happen but if I were to guess I'd say the yeast will battle for territory and the aggressive EC1118 will overtake the bread yeast.

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It depends on the alcohol already in the mead. Since alcohol is toxic to yeast, the newly pitched yeast will probably die and not do anything if the ABV is 5-7% or above.

When you add yeast initially, the alcohol builds up gradually so that the yeast acclimates to it gradually until it's overwhelmed by the alcohol. Usually, that's at 14% or so, but EC1118 can be pushed up to 18% if it's happy.

However, by just putting in dry yeast into an environment with alcohol already in it, the yeast will probably just die.

A yeast starter can be made, with more of the mead added to it gradually so that it acclimates to it. That's probably the only way to do it.

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What yooper says is spot on. But personally I would just let the bread yeast do its thing unless you added a whole bunch of honey like 4+ lb per gallon and the result after fermentation is sickenly sweet. Then you would need to do a stepped starter to acclimate the new yeast to the already harsh enviroment.

I did a spiced apple Cider a while back with just Apple juice, Spiced black tea & bread yeast and it turned out tasty. Took forever to clear but plenty of apple like tones and a crisp finish.

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Thanks for all the input!

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I use Bread yeast with my mead and it turns out great with out adding anything else extra to it.

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