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fireball 04-08-2008 03:14 AM

apfelwein and mead
 
the other night I was reading some of the applejack threads and came across a post where a member was freeze concentrating his juice and fermenting to a high alcohol content. this reminded me of a snow shoeing trip I took two years ago where my container of apple juice started to freeze and became an outstanding beverage, needless to say I'm trying the idea. here's the catch, freezing isn't perfect and it leaves a semi-apple beverage behind if you keep the ice, so why not use it as a base stock for a mead?

the gravities after the first freeze are 1.054 for what will be apfelwein and 1.034 for the remainder. I still need to freeze down the apfelwein mix once more to get my starting volume, now instead of freezing the dregs down to try to get the last bit of sugars, why not just freeze more juice? keep concentrating the apfelwein portion and use the dregs for a cyser? albeit a bit weaker on the apple flavour.

or does this belong in the drunken mumblings? :drunk:

Nurmey 04-08-2008 03:20 AM

What you're talking about is distilling and we don't really do that on HBT because it's illegal in this country.

Ice9 04-08-2008 03:24 AM

It sounds like he's talking about freezing the juice before fermentation to concentrate the flavors???

jds 04-08-2008 03:24 AM

+1234

I think the OP is talking about partially freezing plain old apple juice FIRST, then fermenting the concentrated liquid that's not apple flavored slush. Nothing illegal about it.

Personally, I think that's an interesting concept. I wonder if it would end up tasting differently than if you boiled apple juice to concentrate it, then fermented, or rehydrated frozen concentrated apple juice to a higher gravity before fermenting.

Please let us know the results if you decide to try it.

dibby33 04-08-2008 03:30 AM

Nice idea. Bit like using concentrate...

dibby33 04-08-2008 03:34 AM

...does honey freeze?

Yuri_Rage 04-08-2008 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jds
I wonder if it would end up tasting differently than if you boiled apple juice to concentrate it.

There's a good chance that you'd wind up with apple jelly if you did that. Heating juice is usually a bad idea - it can cause issues with pectin.

Nurmey 04-08-2008 04:05 AM

Oops, my bad! Sorry fireball. I read that as freezing apfelwein. :o

BigKahuna 04-08-2008 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurmey
Oops, my bad! Sorry fireball. I read that as freezing apfelwein. :o

Even still....I don't see (Other than the law...)That this would be a bad experiment. But alas...Until the law changes...I'd sure hate to get in trouble for something that stupid. I've got a lot more stupid things to get in trouble for.:D



Nurmey...You are nearing 500.....Just saying.

fireball 04-08-2008 04:45 AM

no harm, no foul. :tank:

to cloud the issue further by concentrating the flavours and say fermenting out to 16-18% it's completely possible that one could fortify into the low twenties, it would take less than an ounce of everclear or 1 1/2 of good vodka per 750ml bottle.

I have a thing about preservatives. :drunk:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurmey
Oops, my bad! Sorry fireball. I read that as freezing apfelwein. :o



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