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Old 01-08-2010, 03:17 AM   #381
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Some place have regulations that state you have to serve food if you are serving alcohol..
There used to be a bar here in Ontario that had Macaroni & Cheese on the menu for like $25 a bowl. The point was to fulfill the food serving requirement, but never to actually have to serve any.
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:06 AM   #382
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I used to go to a bar that would order a crap load of pizza,so they had 'food' to sale.

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Old 01-08-2010, 03:58 PM   #383
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Hang in there Hoss.

It's a sad reality that one clown can hang up the entire process.

Probably a neo-Prohibitionist!


Of all the horror stories that I have heard about the feds, they ended up being the easiest/nicest to work with, and it's the local guys that can be a pain.

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Old 01-08-2010, 04:09 PM   #384
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Hang in there Hoss.

It's a sad reality that one clown can hang up the entire process.

Probably a neo-Prohibitionist!


Of all the horror stories that I have heard about the feds, they ended up being the easiest/nicest to work with, and it's the local guys that can be a pain.
Totally agree. All the Feds want is your tax money so they were the easiest to work with.
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:15 PM   #385
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I was talking to a wine vendor at my local farmer's market this past weekend and she echoed similar sentiments. Basically the feds couldn't give a damn. They are even letting a guy out in Purcellville build a distillery. However, the locals are a different beast altogether. Basically, if they don’t really have that much to monitor (rural Virginia) then they have more time to spend nitpicking. Best of luck!

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Old 01-08-2010, 04:36 PM   #386
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A little antidote while you're waiting:

After the homeland security act was inacted, we came under the watch of the FDA for the first time. They sent an agent out to our place (note that up until that date I had not yet seen a TTB agent after 7 years in business). But the FDA guy was apologetic from the moment he walked through our doorway, "I have no idea why they sent me to such a small facility. I just go where they tell me to."

The guy was extremely nice and soon disclosed that he was a home brewer, to which I told him that I'm a home brewer too. Suddenly we had a common cord and hit it off quite well from the start.

I found it important to have a few obvious hits. Looks good for them if they find something. They write you up, you correct it, everyone is happy.
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A little antidote while you're waiting:

After the homeland security act was inacted, we came under the watch of the FDA for the first time. They sent an agent out to our place (note that up until that date I had not yet seen a TTB agent after 7 years in business). But the FDA guy was apologetic from the moment he walked through our doorway, "I have no idea why they sent me to such a small facility. I just go where they tell me to."

The guy was extremely nice and soon disclosed that he was a home brewer, to which I told him that I'm a home brewer too. Suddenly we had a common cord and hit it off quite well from the start.

I found it important to have a few obvious hits. Looks good for them if they find something. They write you up, you correct it, everyone is happy.
So true. Let them find something to justify their job.
The guy at the Health dept. told me that the Beer people need to get a better lobbyist. The Wine lobbyists have made it so none of the same rules apply to them.
I used to work with radioactive materials and expected the inspectors to be tough but some of these things they require just to sell beer is beyond that.
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:11 PM   #388
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So these inspections have just been for the tasting room, correct? How about your brewery itself. Do they have to inspect that?

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So these inspections have just been for the tasting room, correct? How about your brewery itself. Do they have to inspect that?
So far it has just been involving the tasting room. As far as I know, no inspections for the Brewery. The brewery would fail if it had to meet the same standards as the tasting room. Perhaps since it's not a public place and I'm not dealing with the public at the brewery, it doesn't have to meet the same standards.
Makes me think that perhaps I should just go wholesale and forget the public side of the business.
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California? Hungry for money? But why? Oh... crap, that is right. $20B budget deficit.

One of my FAs last week who lives in Cali said that she STILL has not recieved her tax refund from 2008?

Hope they get what they want, so you can get what you want Hoss.

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