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Old 12-28-2009, 11:42 AM   #1
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Hi everyone. I figured this would be a good first post. I've been brewing for three years and have been doing partial mashes on my stove and using a cooler as a MLT. But the time has come to move to all grain.

This will be a 2 tier setup with a single pump, electric HLT with a HERMS coil, gas BK, and an insulated keg for the MLT. It will be semi automated being controlled by a Love controller.

The problem I am having is trying to figure out how to control a 240 Volt element with the Love controller.

Here is the progress so far. Maybe someone can help with no clicky pictures.
stand is built from an old pool fence.

Kegs in the background.

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Old 12-28-2009, 12:57 PM   #2
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For 240VAC, you will need to pair up a temp. controller with SSR ouput probably, to an SSR, and run the 240VAC through that. Alot of people use PIDs since they can think and are a little more effective than on/off controls like the Love. You can pick them up for $45 each.

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Nice job recycling the fence.

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For 240VAC, you will need to pair up a temp. controller with SSR ouput probably, to an SSR, and run the 240VAC through that. Alot of people use PIDs since they can think and are a little more effective than on/off controls like the Love. You can pick them up for $45 each.
So will the SSR just control one leg of the 240V?
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So will the SSR just control one leg of the 240V?
That is correct. What are you going to do to stabilize the mash temps, a RIMS or HERMS or ar you just going to recirculate without a heat exchanger and directly heat the MLT?
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So will the SSR just control one leg of the 240V?
Yes, it will. The element will not heat with one leg cut, so it will give you temp. control. I use toggle switches to control both legs to the element so that there is no current there, when I dont want it there. WhenI want the PID control, I turn the toggle ON and the element is contgrolled by the PID.
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That is correct. What are you going to do to stabilize the mash temps, a RIMS or HERMS or ar you just going to recirculate without a heat exchanger and directly heat the MLT?
There will be a HERMS coil i the HLT.
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Yes, it will. The element will not heat with one leg cut, so it will give you temp. control. I use toggle switches to control both legs to the element so that there is no current there, when I dont want it there. WhenI want the PID control, I turn the toggle ON and the element is contgrolled by the PID.
So does the toggle switch go before or after the SSR or does it matter?
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Made some progress over the last few days. The stand is done and painted and the control panel is done. I will post pics later.

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So does the toggle switch go before or after the SSR or does it matter?
Before or after, it doesn't matter. I've got a primer in my sig which may answer a few questions for yah.
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