I rack out of primary on about day 5-7. Once it's in secondary, I wait at least 30 days or so to rack the first time if there are lots and lots of lees. The lees do tend to compact quite a bit. After that, I rack only after 45-60 days when there are 1/4" lees or if there are quite a bit of lees. Once there are no new lees falling after 60 days, then I either bottle or bulk age.