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Old 03-30-2010, 10:00 PM   #6371
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Here's what I'm gonna do: I'm gonna bottle my batch of apfelwein in the next few days...just as soon as a new hydrometer arrives to check the final specific gravity! And I DO plan to bottle-carbonate it. But I'm gonna put it back into the 3-quart #1 PETE bottles the apple juice came in! I've heard horror stories which, I believe, to be apocryphal. The juice bottles are heavier plastic than soda bottles, so they shouldn't explode. The ONLY difference is that the juice bottles have a seam where the two halves of the bottle were heat-joined together. I firmly believe the bottles will, in fact, hold together just fine! However...

I HAVE planned ahead: I purchased a large plastic storage tub with a lid. Once the bottles are filled, and the lids are twisted on good and tight, I'll put them all in the tub and close the lid! If we do get explosions, at least the clean-up will be relatively easy!

I'll keep ya'll posted on what happens!

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Are you going to do that with one bottle? Or are you risking all of your apfelwein?
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:16 PM   #6372
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Those tree top bottles are brittle and crack easily in the freezer when the ice expands in them. I wouldn't trust them.

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Old 03-30-2010, 11:43 PM   #6373
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Here's what I'm gonna do: I'm gonna bottle my batch of apfelwein in the next few days...just as soon as a new hydrometer arrives to check the final specific gravity! And I DO plan to bottle-carbonate it. But I'm gonna put it back into the 3-quart #1 PETE bottles the apple juice came in! I've heard horror stories which, I believe, to be apocryphal. The juice bottles are heavier plastic than soda bottles, so they shouldn't explode. The ONLY difference is that the juice bottles have a seam where the two halves of the bottle were heat-joined together. I firmly believe the bottles will, in fact, hold together just fine! However...

I HAVE planned ahead: I purchased a large plastic storage tub with a lid. Once the bottles are filled, and the lids are twisted on good and tight, I'll put them all in the tub and close the lid! If we do get explosions, at least the clean-up will be relatively easy!

I'll keep ya'll posted on what happens!

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I'm sure someone will chime in on me here because I'm not too sure, but I think that it's not necessarily the thickness of the bottle, but rather the design of the bottle. Is the thickness of a wine bottle much different than a beer bottle or a champagne bottle? I don't think by much, but yet they can't handle the pressure. I'd just buy some Dr. Pepper 2 or 3 liters and use those.

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Old 03-31-2010, 12:14 PM   #6374
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I sincerely thank you all for your responses to my plan. I have yet, however, seen one single post from someone who has already tried what I am planning. Either no one has tried bottle-carbonation in juice bottles before, or they just don't want to admit that they did!

The apple juice bottles, as I mentioned, are of the very same plastic as soda bottles. The juice bottles are a bit thicker, but do have a heat-sealed seam in them, which soda bottles lack. Some have claimed that the seam is a weak spot, but my contention is that, if soda bottles can deal with the pressure of carbonation, why can't juice bottles?

Once again, I do appreciate the comments. I'll keep y'all posted with the results...after the new hydrometer arrives! And am I risking ALL my apfelwein? Yes, I am...it's only 5 gallons, and cost me under $20.00 to make. I figure it's worth it to answer the question.

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Old 03-31-2010, 01:38 PM   #6375
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Save yourself the trouble and put a spigot on that big tub you're going to put the juice bottles in. At least then you can just open the tap and fill a glass to drown out the sorrow of a lost batch of apflewein.

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Old 03-31-2010, 03:14 PM   #6376
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Save yourself the trouble and put a spigot on that big tub you're going to put the juice bottles in. At least then you can just open the tap and fill a glass to drown out the sorrow of a lost batch of apflewein.
On a related but more serious note, perhaps you should sanitize the tub and the outsides of the bottles, so that you can re-bottle in the event of a catastrophe. $20 isn't much for a batch, but 2 months of lost time might be...
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:31 PM   #6377
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I sincerely thank you all for your responses to my plan. I have yet, however, seen one single post from someone who has already tried what I am planning. Either no one has tried bottle-carbonation in juice bottles before, or they just don't want to admit that they did!

The apple juice bottles, as I mentioned, are of the very same plastic as soda bottles. The juice bottles are a bit thicker, but do have a heat-sealed seam in them, which soda bottles lack. Some have claimed that the seam is a weak spot, but my contention is that, if soda bottles can deal with the pressure of carbonation, why can't juice bottles?

Once again, I do appreciate the comments. I'll keep y'all posted with the results...after the new hydrometer arrives! And am I risking ALL my apfelwein? Yes, I am...it's only 5 gallons, and cost me under $20.00 to make. I figure it's worth it to answer the question.

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You probably won't find anyone who has tried because it is risking too much apfelwein. I just want to point out that thicker plastic won't necessarily make it less likely to explode. The less the plastic is able to expand, the more pressure is placed on the inside of the bottle and the seam. These bottles aren't made to withstand the pressure of carbonation, so you are taking a gamble if you do this.

I wouldn't suggest risking too much of your apfelwein until you have tested carbonating this way. Also, if it works, I wouldn't recommend reusing the bottle a second time, as the seam will be weaker the next time (but you will probably have fresh bottles anyway from your new juice). Let us know how it goes.
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I wouldn't suggest risking too much of your apfelwein until you have tested carbonating this way. Also, if it works, I wouldn't recommend reusing the bottle a second time, as the seam will be weaker the next time (but you will probably have fresh bottles anyway from your new juice). Let us know how it goes.
I hear ya about using the bottles a second time, but you are so right that I'll have another set of them, regardless! And I do plan on risking the entire 5 gallons. No, I don't WANT to waste it, but I figure it's worth the price of another batch to prove this cockamamie theory true or false! So hang in there, and wait until my new hydrometer arrives, and then I will bottle.

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Hi everyone! Quick ? Is it ok to use flip tops for apfelwein? Ive got 2 cases of 1 liter bots. Ive got 2 6gal batches going and want to put one of these in fliptops. I guess what i need to know is can i age in these bottles for an extended period,or does it have to be drank fairly soon?

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Hi everyone! Quick ? Is it ok to use flip tops for apfelwein? Ive got 2 cases of 1 liter bots. Ive got 2 6gal batches going and want to put one of these in fliptops. I guess what i need to know is can i age in these bottles for an extended period,or does it have to be drank fairly soon?
If they're good for beer, they're good for apfelwein. Aging in them should be fine too.
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