Grancru

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6,000 yrs ago, in Armenia: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SciTech/20110111/ancient-winery-found-in-armenia-110111/

Sorry all you brewers. This is clear evidence wine was first.

I can feel the die-hards blood boiling.

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Tiber_Brew

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I'm not so sure about that. Beer recipe found that dates back to 7000 BCE; that's 9000 years old:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128587208

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On tap:
1. Bock 2. Pale Ale 3. Blonde 4. Saison 5.[Nitrogen] Dry Stout
Primary:
1. Pale 2. Pale 3. None 4. None 5. None
Secondary:
1. Lambic x2 2. Brett Ale 3. Thimbleberry Lambic x2
Bottled:
About 56 gallons of beer & 7.5 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Porter x2, Saison, Pale Ale, Pilsner x2 (lagering)


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CampFireWine

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If I read that right, they just found a pot that once contained various rotted fruits at one time or another with no indication that it was intentional.

Frodo

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Of course it was rotted, it was 9,000 years old!... Ok seriously, I think I have to throw my vote in for mead, it just seems the most likely. Some natural honey in a leather sachel, watered down so it lasted longer or was easier to use, then voila it becomes mead!

Tiber_Brew

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The point is that they found a recipe for beer that dates back 9,000 years, proving beer was brewed at least that long ago.

TB

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On tap:
1. Bock 2. Pale Ale 3. Blonde 4. Saison 5.[Nitrogen] Dry Stout
Primary:
1. Pale 2. Pale 3. None 4. None 5. None
Secondary:
1. Lambic x2 2. Brett Ale 3. Thimbleberry Lambic x2
Bottled:
About 56 gallons of beer & 7.5 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Porter x2, Saison, Pale Ale, Pilsner x2 (lagering)


My 1/2 BBL electric HERMS build | Homemade hot sauce

Frodo

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I read it earlier and didn't see anything about a recipe either... I didn't even think humans were writing anything besides scratching drawings on rock at that point in history anyway.

Edit: As for these four "ingredients" in a vessel, yet they could tell what they were ingredients in a fermented beverage? I can't even tell if there's pumpkin in a beer if it doesn't have nutmeg and other spices associated with pumpkin pie (just an example)... so I dunno... either way, I'm pretty sure they're just extrapolating some "evidence". And heck that makes a cool story to sell a beer beverage right?

CampFireWine

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They didn't find any writing stating a recipe. They tested clay jars and detected what was stored in them. Not really an actual 'recipe' per say.

Tiber_Brew

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I didn't say it was written. Doesn't change anything either way now, does it? Remnants of an ancient beer was found and dated.

Hey guys, I'm not trying to say beer is older than wine; perhaps fermented beverages of multiple varieties go back further in time than we initially had thought.

Cheers,
TB

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On tap:
1. Bock 2. Pale Ale 3. Blonde 4. Saison 5.[Nitrogen] Dry Stout
Primary:
1. Pale 2. Pale 3. None 4. None 5. None
Secondary:
1. Lambic x2 2. Brett Ale 3. Thimbleberry Lambic x2
Bottled:
About 56 gallons of beer & 7.5 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Porter x2, Saison, Pale Ale, Pilsner x2 (lagering)


My 1/2 BBL electric HERMS build | Homemade hot sauce

CampFireWine

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Since yeast fungus goes back farther then fruit itself on the evolution scale, I would say fruit has been fermenting since it ever existed but that doesn't make the detectable substances in the pores of a storage vessel a recipe.

Tiber_Brew

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You're focusing too much on the semantics of "recipe." They have a list of ingredients that strongly suggests a man made beer.

Maybe you can write the author and paleontologists a letter illustrating their errors. Just because they don't have an actual written recipe, doesn't mean it wasn't a beer.

Or maybe we could tip a glass of our favorite beverage and enjoy them like we know how.

TB

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On tap:
1. Bock 2. Pale Ale 3. Blonde 4. Saison 5.[Nitrogen] Dry Stout
Primary:
1. Pale 2. Pale 3. None 4. None 5. None
Secondary:
1. Lambic x2 2. Brett Ale 3. Thimbleberry Lambic x2
Bottled:
About 56 gallons of beer & 7.5 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Porter x2, Saison, Pale Ale, Pilsner x2 (lagering)


My 1/2 BBL electric HERMS build | Homemade hot sauce