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Old 08-20-2013, 10:04 PM   #11
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But, you gotta admit...Skeeter Pee is pretty darn good!!!!

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Old 08-20-2013, 10:16 PM   #12
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I think fermented lemonade would be about 1% abv. I wonder if Creamy Goodness knows about 'pruno'.

So where's the cutoff? 51% fruit by weight?

Why no hooch forum? Slippery slope to folks discussing washes? I'm actually interested in trying some rhubarb wine, but even though it's your recipe, I'm weary of anything in the same forum with Skeeter Pee. I accidentally drank some at NHC. Gah!
Fermented lemonade is actually quite high in ABV- due to the sugar. There is a TON of sugar in lemonade!

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But, you gotta admit...Skeeter Pee is pretty darn good!!!!
Well, no, it's not. I don't like it a bit.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:23 PM   #13
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Fermented lemonade is actually quite high in ABV- due to the sugar. There is a TON of sugar in lemonade!

Well, no, it's not. I don't like it a bit.
I use 2 cups of sugar per gallon of lemonade, which i guess is about 1.042, so yes, a good bit higher than 1%, and that's probably less sugar than most.

I'll agree with Yoop 110% on this one. SP is not to my liking in the least.
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Because we don't have a hooch forum.
Why don't we have a hooch forum?
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Why don't we have a hooch forum?
I haven't been involved in any discussion of such a forum, though that discussion might have taken place.

For the record, I define hooch as alcoholic drink made mainly from grocery store drinks that are mostly water and sugar and not pure fruit juice.

My opinion is that hooch is not worthy of this type of forum. I'm not saying that Skeeterpee or other types of hooch don't taste good. But I think that taking Walmart Koolaid or lemonade or whatever, and a load of sugar, and turning it into alcohol does not really require much effort.

Now, that should stoke the fire.
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I haven't been involved in any discussion of such a forum, though that discussion might have taken place.

For the record, I define hooch as alcoholic drink made mainly from grocery store drinks that are mostly water and sugar and not pure fruit juice.

My opinion is that hooch is not worthy of this type of forum. I'm not saying that Skeeterpee or other types of hooch don't taste good. But I think that taking Walmart Koolaid or lemonade or whatever, and a load of sugar, and turning it into alcohol does not really require much effort.

Now, that should stoke the fire.
I made some apple wine with distiller's yeast. It is nearly 2 years old and every time I get it out I say to myself, "Wow, that's awful". Does that count as hooch?
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I haven't been involved in any discussion of such a forum, though that discussion might have taken place.

For the record, I define hooch as alcoholic drink made mainly from grocery store drinks that are mostly water and sugar and not pure fruit juice.

My opinion is that hooch is not worthy of this type of forum. I'm not saying that Skeeterpee or other types of hooch don't taste good. But I think that taking Walmart Koolaid or lemonade or whatever, and a load of sugar, and turning it into alcohol does not really require much effort.

Now, that should stoke the fire.
While it's true that a bunch of sugar or things with sugar in them (ketchup, fake honey packets, corn syrup) will ferment, since this is a forum dedicated to making craft quality beverages I doubt "hooch" fits into our vision of this forum.

I'm sure there are places on the internet that discuss jenkem, pruno, and other prison hooches so we don't need to duplicate that! There are plenty of internet sites (I assume) that can provide that information to those inclined.

I spend alot of time and energy (and money at times) on making quality fermenteds. Sure, I've made hard lemonade (my daughter loves it) but for the most part I make wines, meads, and ciders that I can share with people who appreciate it.

While rhubarb wine (as an example) might not be to everyone's taste, any more than saison is, it's still a well made wine that ages well.

Which, in a circular way takes us back to the OP's original question- what is "wine"?
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Which, in a circular way takes us back to the OP's original question- what is "wine"?
Perhaps etymology might shed light on this subject.

English "wine" is, as many of you know, derived, via Old High German, from Latin "vinum". According to the OED, Latin derived the word via primitive - armenian *woiniyo.

This makes sense since the earliest winery was found in modern day Armenia, see Nat Geo article here.

(also from OED) The word is related to many Semitic language words (Arabic, Ethiopic 'wain', Hebrew 'yayin', Assyrian 'înu').

In all languages, as in the Armenian cave, the word "wine" (and cognates) refer specifically to fermented grapes.

In English, it is not until 1398 that there is any definitive reference to another fermented fruit being called "wine." John Trevisa:
"Wyne ymade is ymade by crafte of good spicery & herbes. And it fareþ of þe wyn þat hatte Salinacum & of þe wyn þat hatte rosatum & Gariofilatum"

see also 1542 entry "All maner of wynes be made of grapes, excepte respyse, the whiche is made of a bery."

Thus, linguistically speaking, "wine" is only "wine" if it is from a grape.

personally speaking, if it ain't 'cider', 'beer', 'sake' or 'liquor', I call it wine. Even if its hoochy. Even grape wine can be hooch, look at Boone's Farm and Thunderbird.

Edit: OED= Oxford English Dictionary "wine" n.1, etymology, and sense 2. oed.com
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I wouldn't say that only grape fermented products should be classified as wine. There are many other fruits like blackberries, blueberries, peaches, strawberries etc....that make nice high quality beverages and because these beverages are made using the same or similar process as beverages made from grapes, I think they should all be considered wines.

I know plenty of winery's that produce wines other then grape wine and on there labels it reads "strawberry wine" It doesn't say "alcoholic strawberry beverage".


Also I believe "hooch" is actually an old fashioned name for moonshine, which is a distilled product and not a wine.

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