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Old 10-15-2012, 04:59 PM   #31
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That is an accurate description of how they handle their competitions.
They ran the competition to see who went to the GABF Pro-Am with Dogfish and they were judges on the panel and were not blinded to which brewers brewed which beer (we were pouring for a crowd in a bar). After announcing the winner the winning brewer went up to the stage to say a few words and thanked George and Nancy for his recipe! That was a WTF moment. Small conflict of interest there. But I'm just bitter I came in second.
Whoah, WTF?

Isn't that the core value of a comp? It said unmarked bottles, why even bother?

At first I didn't really care that they hadn't posted their scores, but if this is true they should lose their BJCP sanction.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:05 PM   #32
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Whoah, WTF?

Isn't that the core value of a comp? It said unmarked bottles, why even bother?

At first I didn't really care that they hadn't posted their scores, but if this is true they should lose their BJCP sanction.
I'm pretty sure they are blinded to this competition, so it shouldn't be a problem here. But you never know.

But for the one in June they weren't blinded because we actually brought our beer up to the judges and told them what it was. Plus they came by when we were pouring.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:31 PM   #33
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Under review can only mean two things to me.

1. They are changing the results.

2. They are willing to change the results.

I always thought that the results were whatever the judges on judging day decided? Maybe I have been wrong all this time? What is there to review?

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Old 10-15-2012, 05:59 PM   #34
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yeah, they were supposed to announce the winners at 4:30 on Saturday. If they've already announced the winners, what needs to be reviewed? Wait!! I know. Somebody must have failed a drug test. Somebody was doping and that gave them an unfair advantage on the rest of the field. Kudos to HOPS for trying to make this right.

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Old 10-15-2012, 06:01 PM   #35
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yeah, they were supposed to announce the winners at 4:30 on Saturday. If they've already announced the winners, what needs to be reviewed? Wait!! I know. Somebody must have failed a drug test. Somebody was doping and that gave them an unfair advantage on the rest of the field. Kudos to HOPS for trying to make this right.

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Old 10-15-2012, 06:32 PM   #36
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I tried getting an explanation as to what "under review" means. No response...


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yeah, they were supposed to announce the winners at 4:30 on Saturday. If they've already announced the winners, what needs to be reviewed?

That is exactly what I am wondering. I wish someone who was actually there would chime in. I am guessing that they went through all the rounds of judging. What more is there to do?
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:08 PM   #37
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I would just like the feedback for my Belgian Blonde.

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Old 10-15-2012, 08:29 PM   #38
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I don't get it. They have the place holder already on the website. Cut and paste the damn results into it and be done with it.

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Old 10-15-2012, 09:56 PM   #40
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Okay I was there, entered beers, and stewarded entries for this competition. I don't know everything about what happened, but I'll provide some insight.

1. Ribbons for 1, 2, and 3 were given out at the event for each category (some were collapsed). Judging for each of the flights was completed and BOS announced. I was there for almost the whole day. Score sheets are supposed to be scanned and distributed early this week.

2. The organizer for this even had to pull out at the last minute because of family issues, so it's not been the best organized competition. However, people are trying their best. I think this is part of the reason why the score sheets aren't back and results not posted

3. During judging all the beer was blinded. Anyone that submitted a beer to a certain category was not allowed to judge that category. There were many BJCP certified, national and even 1 master Judge there to make sure rules were followed. Top 3 places in Wood-aged, Fruit Beer, Belgian Specialty, 23A, and a couple other categories were eligible for entrance to an event during Philly Beer Week, Extreme Homebrew Fest. The winner of that event gets to brew a beer for the GABF Pro-Am. The winner is picked by a combination of popular vote, Sam Caligione, and the owners of Home Sweet Homebrew

4. The Administrative hold-up, I think is because some of the entries into the competition this year may have been from pro-brewers or homebrewers brewing on commercial equipment. I think a couple brewers were familiar or known to be starting brewpubs. I think they organizers are trying to determine if some of these winners were actually eligible in the first place. This is purely speculation though. As I googled a couple of the repeat winners, and some results showed that they were starting or had ambitions of starting a brewery. However, I know lots of us are "head brewers" of our home brewery--I think this is different if someone is actually the brewer of a brewpub trying to get BJCP reviews of their test batches before going to market or opening.

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