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Old 10-24-2012, 10:56 AM   #151
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My Alt scored a 40 (1st place table 2) and all others I entered were in the 30's. I agree it was a low scoring competition but I didn't taste any of the other beers. My wife always thought Nodding Head was a dingy place, maybe that has something to do with it, haha.

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Old 10-24-2012, 02:04 PM   #152
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Holy crap...first at table 4!!!!....with a pale ale that scored a 30. They must have low balled the hell out of everybody.
You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:03 PM   #153
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You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...
maybe I got the wrong scoresheet like some other people on this forum. I don't see anything in the scoresheet linking it to my beer per se (my name, beer name, ingredients, etc.) I think I'm going to email them. I care more about feedback than placing and, if I have the wrong scoresheet, that isn't very good feedback....however, if I have the right scoresheet, and you have a higher score than me, then you obviously deserve to be ahead of me.

EDIT: I just emailed Nancy. Maybe she can tell me if I received the wrong scoresheet or if I was incorrectly awarded first place.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:22 PM   #154
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You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...
Placing is usually determined by a mini-BOS format. Your 38.5 might have been scored by a different set of judges than Jeremy's 30. Some judges score on a different curve than each other and the mini-BOS format for placing neutralizes those variances. In other words, score is not the determining factor in placing. My American Brown also scored higher than 30 and I took third place.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:30 PM   #155
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Placing is usually determined by a mini-BOS format. Your 38.5 might have been scored by a different set of judges than Jeremy's 30. Some judges score on a different curve than each other and the mini-BOS format for placing neutralizes those variances. In other words, score is not the determining factor in placing. My American Brown also scored higher than 30 and I took third place.
Yup, that's how they do it. My buddy entered a Kölsch as a Kölsch and also a Blonde (in a different comp) and the Kölsch scored higher than the Blonde but the Blonde placed better.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:42 PM   #156
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Well, I haven't heard back yet, but I was able to track my entry number (I wrote it on the check) and they gave me the wrong scoresheet. Hopefully they send the right one soon.

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Old 10-24-2012, 05:46 PM   #157
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Well, I haven't heard back yet, but I was able to track my entry number (I wrote it on the check) and they gave me the wrong scoresheet. Hopefully they send the right one soon.
They change the numbers upon receiving them to assure anonymity.
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Yup, that's how they do it. My buddy entered a Kölsch as a Kölsch and also a Blonde (in a different comp) and the Kölsch scored higher than the Blonde but the Blonde placed better.
Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. Like I said, first competition for me...
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:13 PM   #159
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I heard back from Nancy...here's the email:

Hi Jeremy,
Don't worry about scores v. placement. They don't always indicate the judges'
preference. As for your entry number not matching, they are changed when the beers are
registered.
Congratulations!
Nancy


I always thought the BJCP scoring system was there to eliminate preference of the judges (which is subjective). Oh well, I'll take it...horray for me and I'm sorry if you managed to score higher than me and finished lower. Quite honestly, I'd rather have the higher score because, to me, that means I'm making better beer....beer that's close to style and has fewer technical flaws. This is my second first place and my third placement overall in three different comps. It's also the third lowest score I've ever had. Go figure.

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Old 10-25-2012, 03:48 PM   #160
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the reason sometimes a lower scored beer will take the table is because the person that entered the beer didn't necessarily enter it in the correct category. So while the beer was a sub average helles bock, it would have been an amazing maibock, or something similar. So yeah, it didn't score well in the category it was entered in, but was a damn good beer and should have taken the table.

At least that's my understanding of how that works anyway.

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