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Old 08-27-2009, 08:48 PM   #1
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Just got back from having my tires balanced and again mechanic had trouble getting 2 lug nuts off and both the studs and nuts are ruined. The last place to work on my truck was a Dodge dealership where I had brakes, tire rotation and tune up done. I think more likely the person who put them on did this. Now to top that off they not only balanced my tires they rotated them back again. I specifically said "I just had them rotated, so I guess they need to be balanced since the bouncing just started, don't rotate them again". I am taking it back to the dealership insisting they did it since I now need new studs anyway.

This is the second time the dealership cross threaded my lug nuts and at least twice on my previous Dodge car and this is different dealerships. Don't they teach these guys to turn them a thread or two by hand first instead of just going straight for the air gun?? HTF am I to know if I am going to be able to get them off myself if I get a flat??

Anyone here ever work at a place like this and can you explain to me why it is so hard to put a lug nut on properly??? How many lug nuts and studs do these guys ruin in a day??

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Old 08-27-2009, 09:25 PM   #2
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I doubt they were cross threaded, but possibly.

My guess is they threw them on the ground when they took them off at the dealership, and then just crammed them back on without blowing out the sand that got in them from flying onto the floor.

When I do wheel work, I not only put the lugnuts someplace where sand doesn't get into them, I put a tiny bit of oil on the threads before I reassemble. When I start the lugnut, I know if anything is in the threads or it's not on straight by the FEEL. THEY probably just load it into an impact gun socket and scream it back on the stud.

Blame it on book times to do the job vs. how fast the guy CAN throw it back together and make a bunch of money getting to another job-that's how mechanics get big checks.

I love stories like this-I do my own brake work and most other remove and replace jobs.

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Old 08-27-2009, 09:31 PM   #3
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I doubt they were cross threaded, but possibly.

My guess is they threw them on the ground when they took them off at the dealership, and then just crammed them back on without blowing out the sand that got in them from flying onto the floor.

When I do wheel work, I not only put the lugnuts someplace where sand doesn't get into them, I put a tiny bit of oil on the threads before I reassemble.

Blame it on book times to do the job vs. how fast the guy CAN throw it back together and make a bunch of money getting to another job-that's how mechanics get big checks.

I love stories like this-I do my own brake work and most other remove and replace jobs.
I used to do my own too but between the time I want to spend doing something else (I usually drop off/pick up) and being able to actually afford to pay someone I usually don't anymore. Having second thoughts now though. Yeah, I too add some oil when I put lugs back on if I do my own work. Always wondered why mechanics don't, sometimes the friction between the threads reminds me of chalk on a chalkboard.
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I doubt they were cross threaded, but possibly.

My guess is they threw them on the ground when they took them off at the dealership, and then just crammed them back on without blowing out the sand that got in them from flying onto the floor.


When I do wheel work, I not only put the lugnuts someplace where sand doesn't get into them, I put a tiny bit of oil on the threads before I reassemble. When I start the lugnut, I know if anything is in the threads or it's not on straight by the FEEL. THEY probably just load it into an impact gun socket and scream it back on the stud.

Blame it on book times to do the job vs. how fast the guy CAN throw it back together and make a bunch of money getting to another job-that's how mechanics get big checks.


I love stories like this-I do my own brake work and most other remove and replace jobs.
I was thinking they put the lug in the socket, place on the end of the stud and pull the trigger.
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THEY probably just load it into an impact gun socket and scream it back on the stud.
Pay now or pay later. How much is TWO trips to the dealer worth in YOUR TIME, when you can get good parts cheaper than dealer OEM's?
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Pay now or pay later. How much is TWO trips to the dealer worth in YOUR TIME, when you can get good parts cheaper than dealer OEM's?
I did read what you wrote, I mean I was thinking they don't even like up the threads let alone worry about sand buggering up the threads. Can’t take but 1 minute extra to make sure the threads are lined up and going on without resistance before using the gun.

If this is a common occurrence and it sounds like it is, how can a shop manager not realize this is bad customer service and business practice and not mention this constantly to the mechanics that lug nuts and studs are as important as any other part of the maintenance? I only went to the dealership because I had an intermittent idle and stalling problem and I thought they would be best trained and equipped to troubleshoot it. While it was there I figured why not have to other stuff done.
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I was thinking they put the lug in the socket, place on the end of the stud and pull the trigger.

Exactly.


Supposed to finger thread to start, THEN air hammer it on...

SO many studs are ruined that way.
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it could be that but not all people know that the lugs are a softer metal then the nuts, and if your gun is full blast and you do not have a torque stick on then you can stretch the lug it self. thus being said take your crap ass american and go buy a toyota cause it is really made in america not canada or mexico, america, or if your one of those people by a honda

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Worked at Sears tire as a college student, and I can tell you the main answer is getting paid by the peice. You go as fast as you can because the more you do the more you get paid and the less the manager yells at you that customers are waiting. Also starting lug nuts by hand and the gunning them on will not stop the threads from getting crossed everytime. If the gun is set high enough and going fast enough you can f'up the threads just as well. I always request all lug nuts to be put on by hand even though I know it probably won't happen.

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To the OP,
Last time I changed a lug (1984 dodge 600,) I just had to pound the lug out the back and tap the new one in.

This was, of course, after I learned to thread the lug nut on by hand before using the air gun...

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