Incidentally, I love Favre for his games-played streak as well; I know damn well he's had his share of injuries and played through them. Not sure, though, if he starts over Grogan on the All-Tough-SOB Team.
Notice, Dude, I never objected to your talking smack about Tony Eason. Hell, I'll contribute to that!
Eason was actually a little before I started paying attention to the Pats. My earliest memories are the very end of Eason's tenure, with Grogan coming back in, doing OK, wearing the brace, watching guys like Marc Wilson and Tommy Hodson and Hugh Millen (who I swore was going to be The Man for us) in the pre-Drew era. I have zero good memories about Tony Eason.
My bad, I didn't realize this was only a Steve grogan thread. I thought it was no holds barred smack talk.
Well, Steve Grogan was a pu$$y. Favre played with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and still led the league in TD passes.
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Notice, Dude, I never objected to your talking smack about Tony Eason. Hell, I'll contribute to that!
Eason was actually a little before I started paying attention to the Pats. My earliest memories are the very end of Eason's tenure, with Grogan coming back in, doing OK, wearing the brace, watching guys like Marc Wilson and Tommy Hodson and Hugh Millen (who I swore was going to be The Man for us) in the pre-Drew era. I have zero good memories about Tony Eason.
I'll give you a little bit of personal historic info about me....back in 86, I was a Patriots fan as well as a Packer fan. I was in that teenage period where I wanted to be a fan of a winning team. I had relatives in MA and we visited them during that season, and I got to go to a preseason game, and I got a sweatshirt with what I thought was the best logo in all of sports. I had teenage boy love for Craig James. I remember staying up past my bedtime with a black and white TV in my bedroom watching the Patriots play. then, after the Super Bowl debacle I quickly came to my senses.
Anyway, I obviously don't know the old players like you do, but I DO remember the years of Tony Franklin and Tony Eason and Andre Tippett and John Hannah and all those guys. Good time, good times.
But Grogan still sucked, neck brace or not. He was like the modern day Joey Harrington.
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Dude, can you add a poll for me, I don't know how:
Q: Who's the biggest pu$$y?
A. Brett Favre, who led the lead in TD passes playing with a broken thumb
B. Steve Grogan, who played with a broken neck
C. Ralph Nader
No can do.
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Notice that when people talk about Grogan, it's always his toughness, not his precision passing...
I know he wasn't very good, his numbers really sucked. He was pretty mobile from what I've read (his "glory years" were before my time). He's been called one of the hardest hitting players on those teams, which maybe speaks more to his teammates than anything else...
But he's like Troy; not the best, but a damn hard worked, and someone that you love to root for.
If I remember correctly, Grogan set the season record in 1976 for rushing TDs by a quarterback. This was before the "slide" rule. Steve Grogan was anything but a pu$$y. He took his share of hits.
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