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Old 09-29-2006, 08:13 PM   #11
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Has anybody ever thought about how you could make something in the vein of a Utopias? I know you would really need their "ninja yeast," but what if you started with the biggest barleywine recipe you could find, doubled it, did a true secondary fermentation with a champaign yeast, add some oak chips, did a third fermentation, aged it forever - how close do you think you could come? Could you make an uber-thick, malty, hoppy beer with alcohol of 16% - 18%?

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Old 09-29-2006, 08:48 PM   #12
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I found mine at Wegman's. It was about $140-145 plus tax.

It's beautiful... [tear]



If Wegman's still has them, I'd buy a few... that's a steal.
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Old 09-29-2006, 08:53 PM   #13
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Has anybody ever thought about how you could make something in the vein of a Utopias? I know you would really need their "ninja yeast," but what if you started with the biggest barleywine recipe you could find, doubled it, did a true secondary fermentation with a champaign yeast, add some oak chips, did a third fermentation, aged it forever - how close do you think you could come? Could you make an uber-thick, malty, hoppy beer with alcohol of 16% - 18%?
I've seen several posts on other boards with people trying to make this. SA ferments it some insane number of times (8, 10?... don't remember). It sounds like a pretty painful process and it's part of the reason for the hefty price tag. I think one guy got his clone to 21%... I think the last batch of Utopias were around 25%. I don't remember if he posted what his clone actually tasted like though.
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Old 09-29-2006, 09:10 PM   #14
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If ya started it with a good scottish ale yeast that would get ya to 13%ish pretty ez, then could possibly finish it off with distilling yeast, should get ya to around 25% ABV

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It's not something I plan on doing, I'm just curious whether anyone has done or heard of someone doing something like that. Although, I do have a couple of 3 gallon carboys that I could use for long-term aging...

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I wasnt planning on it either, BUT . . . since it was mentioned I did some number crunching . . .

I figure you would need a OG of 1.195. That means for a 5 gallon batch you're looking at about 38.5lbs of malt (used 2 row in Promash with 75% efficency), -OR- 21 lbs of generic light DME -OR- 28lbs of generic light LME.

If my math is right your's looking at about 40 gallons of water if ya fly sparge
I'm thinking I would almost have to make 3 sperate mashes and boil them down then combine them into 1 final boil to add hops.

If I get a wild hair up me arse and decide to try this (and I just may) I think I would use the DME in 4 gallons of water. Bring the 4 gallons of water to a boil remove heat then use a paint strier on my drill to mix it up, THEN do my steeping grains seperate in another few gallons mix the 2 and boil them down . . . god knows WTF I would do for hops. . . probably aim for about 70 - 140 IBU's and call it a English Barley Wine.

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Bullion 2 oz 7%AA 40min
Fuggles 2oz 5%AA 20min
EK Goldings 2oz 4.75%AA at flame out

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I believe a large amount of fermentables is added via maple syrup, so you could keep the grain bill smaller and thus have a smaller mash. That's a lot of boiling otherwise...

[EDIT] I just read your other thread. You're a maniac... :cheers: [/EDIT]

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