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Old 07-09-2008, 09:26 PM   #21
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Hmm, anyone got any links written in plain English that explain how the new FISA is going to affect me, how it is going to affect my freedoms or day to day activities? Looks like the FISA has been around in one form or another since 1978, and it's meant to stop the bad guys. I'm thinking that they aren't really monitoring every single phone call and every single e-mail, like the movies make it seem. I'd imagine they are looking for certain things, from certain countries, and certain people.

I did hear that they do suspect homebrewing sites as a source of major terrorist message traffic.

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Old 07-09-2008, 09:34 PM   #22
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Hmm, anyone got any links written in plain English that explain how the new FISA is going to affect me, how it is going to affect my freedoms or day to day activities? Looks like the FISA has been around in one form or another since 1978, and it's meant to stop the bad guys. I'm thinking that they aren't really monitoring every single phone call and every single e-mail, like the movies make it seem. I'd imagine they are looking for certain things, from certain countries, and certain people.

I did hear that they do suspect homebrewing sites as a source of major terrorist message traffic.
actually when cheny/bush called up AT&T they pretty much said, just record everything. That's why some heads should be rolling... so to speak.

and as far as a plain English version, I'll look for one. I know it took me about two hours to wrap my head around what it's actually saying in there. Not the most plain test bill you've ever seen.

And as far as effecting you, even if it doesn't directly do so (I have nothing to hide). Well you just lost one of your freedoms under the bill of rights, there's an effect.

This is where that 3rd check and balance needs to come to the rescue (USSC).

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Old 07-09-2008, 09:38 PM   #23
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...rveillance_Act
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Old 07-09-2008, 09:40 PM   #24
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Hillary voted nay .....

Obama voted yea .... I dont get it.

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Old 07-09-2008, 09:43 PM   #25
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I have a different view on the "removal" of our freedoms that so many people are scared of. I do fully agree that the government is going too far in some areas, but I wonder what the other options are. Do we totally avoid any form of phone monitoring, e-mail monitoring, etc... when we know that those methods can be used for terrorists to communicate? Do I really need to be concerned that someone might be monitoring my phone calls, when I have nothing to hide?

I understand both sides of the argument, and am not sure what the solution is. I'm not as much of a Bush supporter as I used to be, but I still do not think he is as bad as he is made out to be. (He is unpopular, but he is doing the same stuff that American presidents have been doing for the last 200+ years). I think there are dishonest republicans and I think there are dishonest democrats.

Life in the US might not be what it used to be, but I still feel thankful that I live in a great country where I can enjoy doing what I like to do.

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+1...it could be a lot worse, but one of the things we are allowed to do is complain...
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Hmm, anyone got any links written in plain English that explain how the new FISA is going to affect me, how it is going to affect my freedoms or day to day activities?
I did hear that they do suspect homebrewing sites as a source of major terrorist message traffic.
My understanding is that with technology they will use key words like bomb, nuclear, chemical warfare, allah to decide who is a terrorist threat to base eavesdropping on. And now that this has been stated on HBT we will all become suspect due to the key word use and all who read this page. Welcome to Amerika.
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You all seem surprised that politicians are douchebags.

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Is the technology really that good that it can monitor everything, everywhere? Since the law is approved, then the new technology should be operational, I'll let you know if men in black suits come knocking in the next few weeks.

When I brew, I worship the beer gods, but not the beer ALLAH.
Some of my fermenters remind me of those pictures of NUCLEAR reactors.
I started kegging, so now I don't worry about bottle BOMBS.
My biggest fear is that TERRORISTS might attack and invade my homebrew supply.

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+1...it could be a lot worse, but one of the things we are allowed to do is complain...
But for how long...

Seriously though - even small things create precident and trends toward the erosions of larger and larger liberties. First, eliminate the right to peacefully assemble, then wiretaps without warrants and illegal search, seizure and arrests based on how low you wear your pants. Tomorrow... who knows.
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