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Old 07-01-2012, 12:43 AM   #11
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You shouldn't be drinking milk at all. I don't for MANY reasons but here all of them...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...ddrink.weekend
Thats pasterized milk.Ive made my own personal educated decision for Raw and not pasterized especially homogenized(creates oxidized cholosterol-which in turn= heart disease and a host of other problems).
Although it cant be produced on a mass scale that is where all the lobbyism agaisnt it comes in $$$. FDA uses scare tactics,which the herd will follow. Check out the CDC on sickness/deaths from pasterized milk.Hell just check out pharmacutical death tolls and its "legal" and on the market.

Having a resposible trustable source is key as well as not having a vaunerable sterile immune system like many with overprocessed diets,overphamacuticated,or whatever. Just make your own educated decision. It can safely be produced and is more up to the indivduals immune system which you would also build with it.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:56 AM   #12
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Just to give some background from my legal experiences --
Cows are carriers for e.coli in their GI tract but it does not hurt them. The e.coli is spread usually during the processing/recycling/re-use of the dairy water which is because of fecal matter and pasture dirt (cows get washed down before milking, grey water is recycled, etc.)-- a dairy requires a lot of water. I was involved in a case where a dairy had [allegedly] contaminated a nearby lettuce field because of the system of water re-use. Since the lettuce is not heated, people got real sick and some people (young/old) died.

The state dairy inspectors said off the record that they would never drink raw milk.

I have no skin in the game -- Good luck with whatever you decide!

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Old 07-01-2012, 01:35 AM   #13
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we get raw milk here from Wadel's dairy outside Chambersburg PA - its about 4 dollars a gallon but its very good. after quite a bit of reading and research I won't drink or buy pasteurized milk again - that is some nasty crap.

health wise I think it is a better bet, goat milk is better but we don't have access to a local supplier.

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Old 07-01-2012, 07:14 PM   #14
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I grew up drinking it, from age 3 to about 15. Every once in a while the cows would eat some leeks (wild onions) and the milk would taste like it so we would drink store bought milk. We couldn't wait to go back to the regular stuff. I actually found a source for it a few years ago but the farmer was feeding his cows something bad because the milk never tasted good. Plus he was Amish so refrigeration wasn't too effective.

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Old 07-01-2012, 07:45 PM   #15
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Yeah, the FDA. You can trust the US Government...just ask any Native American...
Actually milk is one of the prime reasons for food regulation. If you go back 100 years and walk into a store that sold milk you *might* find actual cow milk in a container labelled "milk". It's more likely you would find some artificial product by itself or mixed with cow milk. I don't mean an artificial product like powdered milk, I mean stuff like milk fat mixed with coconut oil or coconut fat mixed with water. So the government said if you call it dairy milk it has to be actual cow milk.

I'm not saying regulation is perfect or the product we get from regulation is a superior product but I think we would all agree if you go to the store and buy dairy milk it should come from a cow's utter.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:25 PM   #16
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Here's the science:

  1. Science has not been able to show that raw milk is better for you in any way.
  2. Science has shown that this heating process is the only effective way of killing most of the bacteria (listeria, salmonella, e.coli).
  3. Raw milk is responsible for 3 times more hospitalizations than any other foodborne disease outbreak.

What is much healthier than raw or pasteurized milk? Only drink human milk while you are a baby and then quit drinking liquid or milk-based-foods from any animal thereafter. I gave up dairy nearly a year ago. After the dairy addiction went away in a week or two, I never craved or missed it again.

Also, the longer you go without having dairy, the stranger it seems that humans suckle the teat of other species as adults. hahah.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:00 PM   #17
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...the stranger it seems that humans suckle the teat of other species as adults. hahah.
Seems strange until you take a bite of aged cheddar.
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I also grew up drinking it, and the best cheeses you´ll get are from raw milk.

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Old 12-05-2012, 02:03 PM   #19
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Here's the science:
  1. Science has not been able to show that raw milk is better for you in any way.
  2. Science has shown that this heating process is the only effective way of killing most of the bacteria (listeria, salmonella, e.coli).
  3. Raw milk is responsible for 3 times more hospitalizations than any other foodborne disease outbreak.
Science also told us that fat was bad and margarine was good. Not disagreeing with you on the dairy, just saying there's still a lot to be learned in food science, IMO.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:07 PM   #20
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I trust farmers selling direct to me. I don't trust anyone that isn't a farmer.

This includes the FDA, processing plants, commercial "serve the stockholders" groups and grocery stores.

My life isn't free of the groups and rules I don't trust but, when possible, I buy from the farmer.

I grew up on a dairy farm and we drank milk right from the tanks. We'd bottle it every day for our own use and keep it in the fridge. I still drink raw milk. There are scares for why backyard chickens are bad because of the metals in the ground especially in cities. There are harmful pests, harmful bacteria and all kinds of risks of contamination

But the farmers are responsible for so little of the food problems our country has seen. National recalls of broccoli and meats? National... not a town outbreak of E.Coli but a national "don't eat spinach" recall.

The rules and companies that are supposed to keep us safe cause more harm and the processing of our food takes all of the nutrients out of it so I'll trust the farmers and I've never been sick from raw milk.

In fact, I'm 26 and have never had a prescription, taken cough medicine or tylenol. I've never had a cold more than once every 2-3 years and eat a diet almost all grown in my back yard or neighborhood. So I trust raw milk and others should to...trust the farmer and most are proud of their operations and would be happy to give you a tour so just ask...try showing up at Smithfield or Tyson and asking for a factory tour. You'll be escorted off the premises.

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