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Old 01-29-2012, 07:07 PM   #611
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My band played a show in Martinsburg, WV last night.

The guys that booked us hit me up on Tuesday to inform me that our two punk bands would be performing with two "hip hop artists" and that he just found out. We deliberated a bit and decided to play it anyway. First time for everything, I guess.

So, the show was pretty crappy with no locals on the lineup.

The "hip hop artists" were pretty pathetic. It was karaoke if you ask me. They both did three songs in which they played a pre-recorded song and rapped along with it. I can't believe that people even ask to play shows when that is all they do and they only have ten minutes of material at that.

To make matters worse, the jackasses left right before my set. This is after I stood there and clapped and supported their garbage. Sometimes, it really doesn't pay to be nice.

The guy that booked us was pretty irritated as well. He told me that they were planning to kick their drummer out because of his booking ineptitude among other issues.

Eh. We have some better shows coming up so I'll just chalk this up as another lesson in life.
Oh it sounds all too familiar. I was in a touring band for almost 5 years. We played an average of close to 150 shows a year. You have no clue how many times I've had to deal with this.

The worst part about playing shows is dealing with the promoters. ESPECIALLY the ones who don't know they're supposed to promote.
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:10 PM   #612
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Any fans of the movie Brothers of the Head on here? It's a mock documentary about conjoined twins who start a punk band. It's good movie and the music is pretty good too.

http://www.musiccavity.com/2012/01/b...s-of-head.html
I'll have to check this out. Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:40 PM   #613
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My band played a show in Martinsburg, WV last night.

The guys that booked us hit me up on Tuesday to inform me that our two punk bands would be performing with two "hip hop artists" and that he just found out. We deliberated a bit and decided to play it anyway. First time for everything, I guess.

So, the show was pretty crappy with no locals on the lineup.

The "hip hop artists" were pretty pathetic. It was karaoke if you ask me. They both did three songs in which they played a pre-recorded song and rapped along with it. I can't believe that people even ask to play shows when that is all they do and they only have ten minutes of material at that.

To make matters worse, the jackasses left right before my set. This is after I stood there and clapped and supported their garbage. Sometimes, it really doesn't pay to be nice.

The guy that booked us was pretty irritated as well. He told me that they were planning to kick their drummer out because of his booking ineptitude among other issues.

Eh. We have some better shows coming up so I'll just chalk this up as another lesson in life.
I couldn't disagree more with this post. What difference does it make who is on the lineup before or after you? Why do you feel the need to minimize the music of other bands in order to validate yours? Most modern music festivals have a wide variety of styles often playing back to back, and in any event you will find some bands you like and some bands you don't. It's your job as a band to stand out from the others and leave a lasting impression. In some ways it is better for you to be playing with bands who's music is less impressive then yours, as you get the chance to be the best act of the night.

From an earlier reply: "The worst part about playing shows is dealing with the promoters. ESPECIALLY the ones who don't know they're supposed to promote"

Unfortunately I have to disagree with this also. As someone who has promoted shows in the past (though not recently) I was amazed at how many bands just expected to do nothing, show up and play, and have a great audience and response. These bands were often disappointed after the fact that they did not receive the promotion they were expecting. As a band it is YOUR responsibility to promote yourself and your music. Don't leave this in other peoples hands. Promoters give you an opportunity to play and a chance to be heard, they do not SELL your music for you. You need to do this yourself!

I had a friend several years ago who started a band, and they were pretty good. I gave him multiple chances to play at different events and never found him to be very interested. He often would complain about having to drive to the gig, not having a good time slot, and not being paid enough. He also would do nothing to promote the events and afterwards would ask me why he did not see enough promotion about them. Needless to say he is no longer playing music.

It's no different then staring your own small business. Would you start a business and expect others to promote it and get you customers? Or if you start a website do you expect others to spread your link around?
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Not that anyone would know us, but back in the 80's I was the drummer for a band called Terminal Illness. We were a hardcore/skate punk band. We played lots of garage's all over New Orleans. At the peak of the skate scene, there were tons of half pipes all over the area and we would play for hours while people skated and slam danced all over the place. All we wanted was beer for payment.

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From an earlier reply: "The worst part about playing shows is dealing with the promoters. ESPECIALLY the ones who don't know they're supposed to promote"

Unfortunately I have to disagree with this also. As someone who has promoted shows in the past (though not recently) I was amazed at how many bands just expected to do nothing, show up and play, and have a great audience and response. These bands were often disappointed after the fact that they did not receive the promotion they were expecting. As a band it is YOUR responsibility to promote yourself and your music. Don't leave this in other peoples hands. Promoters give you an opportunity to play and a chance to be heard, they do not SELL your music for you. You need to do this yourself!

I had a friend several years ago who started a band, and they were pretty good. I gave him multiple chances to play at different events and never found him to be very interested. He often would complain about having to drive to the gig, not having a good time slot, and not being paid enough. He also would do nothing to promote the events and afterwards would ask me why he did not see enough promotion about them. Needless to say he is no longer playing music.

It's no different then staring your own small business. Would you start a business and expect others to promote it and get you customers? Or if you start a website do you expect others to spread your link around?
It's one thing to put your music online via myspace, facebook, purevolume, etc. However, how can you expect a band from Delaware to pass out flyers and spread the word for a show in California? I can see your point if you're doing a show for local bands since geographically it works out. However, for touring bands it doesn't work that way, that's why you're called a promoter. You're supposed to PROMOTE the show. If that's the way you do business it's no wonder you don't promote shows anymore.
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Not that anyone would know us, but back in the 80's I was the drummer for a band called Terminal Illness. We were a hardcore/skate punk band. We played lots of garage's all over New Orleans. At the peak of the skate scene, there were tons of half pipes all over the area and we would play for hours while people skated and slam danced all over the place. All we wanted was beer for payment.
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I don't promote shows anymore by my choise : ), busy doing other things. And I still don't agree with your point. Some of the most respected musicians in the business don't agree with you either.

If you know anything about bass players you should know who Mike Watt is. He has had a very long career and he is extremely well respected and he is one of the hardest working players in music. He personally promotes his bands/music himself and even after thousands of gigs and collaborations with many of the top artists in music he still takes the time to respond on a personal level to many of his fans and to publicize each of his gigs himself. He is just one example out of many established musicians who take their promotion into their own hands.

Stephen Perkins is anther example. He has drummed for Jane's Addiction, Porno for Pyros, Infectious Groovs, Banyan and others and has been a part of bands who have sold millions of records but he still promotes his bands and shows regularly.

If you are in a band and you have the attitude you are describing then any success you have is a bonus and you should be very thankful for it.

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how can you expect a band from Delaware to pass out flyers and spread the word for a show in California?
Passing out flyers is just one way to promote a show. And if the band from Delaware took seriously their career they would have a website and a mailing list where they can post a PDF of all of their upcoming show flyers and ask the fans to print and post them.

I never said I did not do any promoting for the shows I put on, but that is none of the bands business and if a band is expecting the promoter to gain attention for them then they are putting their careers in the hands of other people instead of themselves. In today's 'connected' world there is really no excuse to neglect your own interests.
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