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Old 10-12-2009, 11:54 AM   #1
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I am an avid TH fan and I play most every night online, and once weekly (free game) at a local bar. I have hosted my own games, built my own poker tables (and the list goes on) Needless to say, I am pretty familliar with the runnings of poker, and the proper etiquette of gameplay and such. In fact, I am usually the one who is calling people on stuff like that. (Not in a dick sort of way but friendly reminders of the RULES)

At any rate, last night I kind of got into it (well, pissed off) a tweeker and a regular of the game because I didnt give a **** what 'her etiquette' was - its the friggin rules.

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I am behind the dealer awaiting my turn. Person 2 people ahead of the dealer goes all in. Person after the all in calls (but still has chips) I too call the all in BUT RAISE. (Yes, lets seperate all ins chips and put them in front of her - we now make what is called a SIDE POT) and continue to see cards.

Well, she didnt like this and got mad that I raised over the all in. She seriously expected me (and everyone else) to just call and check the rest of the hand. "You gotta respect the all in. Thats just rude to raise the all in blah blah" **** the all in... This has NOTHING to do with all in. The fact that I CALLED your friends all in has something to do with her. The fact that I RAISED and continued to bet has everything to do with everyone else competing for the side pot.

I honestly think she was pissed that I kept betting and ended up scaring her out of the side pot with junk in my hand. (All in ended up beating me and taking her pot) but ol tweeky still wasnt happy.

Anyone else heard of this "Respect the all in" bullcaca? I think thats a load of ****. Dont tell me I cant raise someones all in - if I have chips and we havent raised/reraised the set amount, then its perfectly legal.
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:00 PM   #2
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My opinion (but I'm not a casino player) is it's BS. If a short stack goes all in and you've got a good hand, what are you (and the rest of the table) supposed to do? Play for peanuts?

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Old 10-12-2009, 12:49 PM   #3
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+1 That's lame and I've never played that way.

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Old 10-12-2009, 01:04 PM   #4
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Thats pretty much what I figured. Sure there is a such thing as poker etiquette (not betting out of turn, showing your cards, showing someone elses cards, touching someone elses chips) But re-raising an all in I dont think so... Thats poker.
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:05 PM   #5
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but ol tweeky still wasnt happy


that just made me laugh! sounds like a high-class game there!
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:17 PM   #6
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that just made me laugh! sounds like a high-class game there!
Meh, this bar is a hole in the wall that has been there for ages. I guess most bars when they hit the point of reminding you of The Simpsons will tend to attract more individuals of this caliber. I like to play there because its close to home, its free, and it keeps the wife from bitching at me for inviting 'strangers' into my household.

I guess having to deal with people like that comes with the territory. It just disgusts me a little more because I remember those days. Its just disgusting to see how blatantly obvious you are to others when you are looking at the tweekishness from the sober side. (Ugh, Ive always hated that **** anyway and the people who did it)
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:43 PM   #7
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She wasn't all in. She was a call, period.

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Does this happen to be one of those free poker leagues? I see it all the time.

The 'etiquette' is implicit collusion, and you usually only see it late in tournaments. The idea is that it makes more sense to keep several people in the hand because it's more profitable to knock a player out and advance everyone in the money instead of bluffing someone off the best hand to make a few extra chips. So people usually check it down to the river to increase the odds of knocking the all-in player out.

Now if someone has the nuts and raises everyone else off the hand, no problem. However if we're on the bubble and someone raises everyone off the hand with 72o and loses to the all-in when someone else would have won and knocked them out, I can see people getting pissed off.

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Yeah, this is one of those "we're not in Vegas, there's no reason to play THAT way" type of situations, sounds like. I've had people try to chew me out for check-raising in the same way... "come on, check-raising is for jerks!" Play by the rules of THAT GAME (a lot of times "free" leagues will have some interesting house rules ), make your plays, rake your chips.

FWIW, I've never heard of this "let's call the all-in and check it to the river", unless it's one of the collusion scenarios, either... sometimes people think that there's this unspoken rule that the later stages of a tourney means just biding your time until someone does something "stupid" like go all-in. Then, that's everyone at the tables' opportunity to move up a slot... weird, but people learn weird habits sometimes...

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I think it falls in line with the same unspoken rule in blackjack that every peer player should be playing by-the-book strategy especially when they make a hit and draw a card the next player would have benefited from. I personally think it's lame to hate on a player that plays within the ACTUAL rules.

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