Spike Brewing 12.5 Conical Fermenter Giveaway - Enter Now!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Community > General Chit Chat > Not-So-Obnoxious Baseball Thread

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-29-2013, 04:29 PM   #981
hoppyhoppyhippo
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
hoppyhoppyhippo's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New Brunswick, NJ
Posts: 2,132
Liked 265 Times on 218 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

Phillies last year weren't a fluke, they're old. Philly will be in the playoff hunt, and I wouldn't be shocked if both of the wild cards come from the NL East. Braves and Nationals last year weren't flukes either. Since the advent of Jason Heyward, the Braves have averaged 91.3 wins a season. I can't see any way they're a safe bet to not win 91 or 92 unless they're decimated with injuries like they were in 2011. Can you say the Phillies are better than 91 or 92 wins? I can't. I mean sure perfect world where Utley is healthy and an MVP and Howard is healthy and still a great hitter. Phillies rotation short of injury should be awesome. Halladay should bounce back, his FIP was much lower than his ERA, Lee is one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball and Hamels is great. Unless someone gets hurt their rotation is excellent. As far as their offense goes, this is what they're working with

C - Ruiz - Good but a cheater, lets see how his numbers go from here
1B - Howard - Old coming off a miserable season, who knows where he goes from here
2B - Utley - Old and injury prone.
3B - Michael Young - LOL. Young's value is 100% based on his ability to hit for average. For soem reason I think he'll struggle with that in Philly. Doesn't walk much and his power is in freefall.
SS - Rollins - Old coming off a great season, but I'll bet he doesn't repeat it.
LF - Brown - If he puts it together could be a star.
CF - Revere - Similar, but honestly I don't expect Revere to be more than a poor man's Michael Bourn. At the very least he'll provide great defense for the meh brown and the oh so terrible.
RF - Delmon Young - HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I know he's a former top prospect, and he had some ability, but I don't know where that all went. Can't hit, can't field, can't run the bases. Guy is a bum.

Compare that to the Braves

C - McCann - Risky because he's coming off surgery
1B - Freeman - Young star in the making
2B - Uggla - Solid 2B
3B - Francisco/Johnson - below average 3B
SS - Simmons - Young superstar in the making, may never hit enough to be a superstar but arguably the best defensive SS in baseball.
LF - Justin Upton - Need I say more? Sure he stank a bit last year but him at his worst is still a well above average player
CF - BJ Upton - Not a great defender but can hit really well. Sucks at average but walks and has power.
RF - Heyward - One of the best players in baseball when he's healthy. Kid does it all, hits, walks, steals, homers, plays defense. There's nothing he can't do, except half ass it.

I'll fully admit the Phillies rotation will be better. But that's why the season is interesting.

It's early, but if I had to guess who the best teams in baseball are I'd go with (not in order just trying to pick a top 10)

Nationals
Braves
Phillies
Reds
giants (though never know with the dodgers
Angels
A's
Yankees
Rays
Tigers

Jays could force themselves in that mix as well of course, but they're in a tough division, and a lot of the guys they went out and acquired are risky. First I'll compliment them on getting R.A. Dickey, guy is great, he'll be their ace almost for sure. Also think they made a good low risk signing in DeRosa. Melky is also a good risk signing. Obviously he cheated and that's why he played like an MVP candidate, but his issues were always effort related not talent related so if he puts in the effort, he should be gold. But lets talk about the Marlins trade. Bonafacio is a solid player, like him, Mark Buerhle is a great 3, like him, Josh Johnson is one of the best pitchers when he's healthy, the issue, he's not always healthy. And I loathe Jose Reyes, guy isn't a ball player, he's a show off. Gimme Andrelton Simmons over him any day. One year Reyes can decide to play and be an MVP, the next he can mail it in.

__________________
hoppyhoppyhippo is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 04:47 PM   #982
iaefebs
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
 
iaefebs's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: West Coast, MI
Posts: 2,643
Liked 239 Times on 173 Posts
Likes Given: 601

Default

Hey lay off Delmon Young LOL... Sure he can't run, (he runs upright with no bend and takes small baby step strides.) He can't field, but he does get there. As far as hitting he was one of my favorite Tigers. I loved seeing him at the plate in a crucial situation.

__________________

Baseball is purer than life; it's symmetrical, fair, and dignified. There's no debating what happened: it happened.
MARVIN COHEN

iaefebs is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 04:52 PM   #983
JohnnyO
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hamden, CT
Posts: 8,773
Liked 892 Times on 840 Posts
Likes Given: 491

Default

I'd worry about Reyes and Dickey in Toronto. It's cold up there, no? Reyes needs heat to be able to open up and run. He may have hamstring issues by the end of April. And as good as Dickey is, his ability to deliver that uncanny knuckleball has a lot to do with weather. I know he has no idea what it's going to do in wet weather. With cold, I'm not sure if having little to no humidity is going to help him or not.

__________________
Fermenting: Stout, Pumpkin Ale
Drinking: Pale Ale, German Pilsner, Cider
On Deck: Harvest Ale, IPA, Brown Ale
JohnnyO is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 04:54 PM   #984
hoppyhoppyhippo
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
hoppyhoppyhippo's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New Brunswick, NJ
Posts: 2,132
Liked 265 Times on 218 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

I can understand liking a player because they made some big plays. Braves had their guy with that years ago in Mark Lemke. Doesn't mean that Mark Lemke stank any less than he actually did.

I loved Delmon Young as a prospect. But after watching him play, I realized he's just another Jeff Francouer. Million dollar talent, 10 cent head. Maybe someday he puts it together, but I severely doubt it.

__________________
hoppyhoppyhippo is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 04:56 PM   #985
hoppyhoppyhippo
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
hoppyhoppyhippo's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New Brunswick, NJ
Posts: 2,132
Liked 265 Times on 218 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyO View Post
I'd worry about Reyes and Dickey in Toronto. It's cold up there, no? Reyes needs heat to be able to open up and run. He may have hamstring issues by the end of April. And as good as Dickey is, his ability to deliver that uncanny knuckleball has a lot to do with weather. I know he has no idea what it's going to do in wet weather. With cold, I'm not sure if having little to no humidity is going to help him or not.
If baseball physics are true a knuckle ball will be even more deadly in dry weather. May take him some time to get used to it but in dry weather the ball drops more. Also in the cold and dry the ball is less likely to fly further so there's a chance Dickey could be even better.
__________________
hoppyhoppyhippo is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 05:09 PM   #986
iaefebs
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
 
iaefebs's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: West Coast, MI
Posts: 2,643
Liked 239 Times on 173 Posts
Likes Given: 601

Default

The main reason I liked Delmon was because my wife, who is a bigger fan than me, couldn't "warm up" to him as a player. I liked him because he seemed to hit when needed. We watch every game so I made it point of calling attention whenever he came to bat in a crucial moment. Sure enough he would get a hit and she started to feel it was our time to score some runs when he was at bat. She developed a Delllllmonnn chant. She still didn't like him though except during a rally. Some great players are rally killers and some mediocre guys are rally ready.

__________________

Baseball is purer than life; it's symmetrical, fair, and dignified. There's no debating what happened: it happened.
MARVIN COHEN

iaefebs is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 05:28 PM   #987
hoppyhoppyhippo
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
hoppyhoppyhippo's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New Brunswick, NJ
Posts: 2,132
Liked 265 Times on 218 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

I bet I'm gonna love Delmon this year, because of all the singles he'll play into triples for Heyward.

__________________
hoppyhoppyhippo is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 07:55 PM   #988
JohnnyO
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hamden, CT
Posts: 8,773
Liked 892 Times on 840 Posts
Likes Given: 491

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoppyhoppyhippo View Post
If baseball physics are true a knuckle ball will be even more deadly in dry weather. May take him some time to get used to it but in dry weather the ball drops more. Also in the cold and dry the ball is less likely to fly further so there's a chance Dickey could be even better.
You and your Canadian science.

I hope you're right. Dickey is a gem on and off the field. I'm going to really miss rooting for the guy in NY.
__________________
Fermenting: Stout, Pumpkin Ale
Drinking: Pale Ale, German Pilsner, Cider
On Deck: Harvest Ale, IPA, Brown Ale
JohnnyO is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 08:08 PM   #989
hoppyhoppyhippo
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
hoppyhoppyhippo's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New Brunswick, NJ
Posts: 2,132
Liked 265 Times on 218 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

I've done so much reading on physics on a baseball and the weather because of people insisting Justin Upton cannot hit outside of Chase Field.

Basically what that says is that the ideal hitting environment is warm, well above sea level and humid. That's one of the reasons why before the introduction of the height extreme Coors or the small parks that are out there now, Fulton County Stadium was known as the launching pad. Humid air is less dense than dry air so the ball has less flight. Now the reason this is theoretical is because ball handling is a concern. If the ball is out in the humidity for several hours it will weigh more, but if it's kept in a relatively controlled environment (like an airconditioned room) and then introduced to the humidity, it's a hitters dream. Because what happens with pitchers and humid balls is they're a little softer so they can get a better grip, and as Isaid before heavier so they don't fly as far. That's why the humidor has worked so well in Colorado, all the positives of a super humid ball, without all the negatives of the less dense air. Also the humidor has likely lead to the worse defense of the Colorado OF, since balls drop faster through thin air, can't imagine how much faster they'll drop because they're carrying extra weight as well.

Basically my end conclusion was aside from a few homers maybe not happening because of less advantageous power alleys Justin Upton should still rock in Atlanta.

__________________
hoppyhoppyhippo is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-29-2013, 08:09 PM   #990
JohnnyO
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hamden, CT
Posts: 8,773
Liked 892 Times on 840 Posts
Likes Given: 491

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoppyhoppyhippo View Post
I've done so much reading on physics on a baseball and the weather because of people insisting Justin Upton cannot hit outside of Chase Field.

Basically what that says is that the ideal hitting environment is warm, well above sea level and humid. That's one of the reasons why before the introduction of the height extreme Coors or the small parks that are out there now, Fulton County Stadium was known as the launching pad. Humid air is less dense than dry air so the ball has less flight. Now the reason this is theoretical is because ball handling is a concern. If the ball is out in the humidity for several hours it will weigh more, but if it's kept in a relatively controlled environment (like an airconditioned room) and then introduced to the humidity, it's a hitters dream. Because what happens with pitchers and humid balls is they're a little softer so they can get a better grip, and as Isaid before heavier so they don't fly as far. That's why the humidor has worked so well in Colorado, all the positives of a super humid ball, without all the negatives of the less dense air. Also the humidor has likely lead to the worse defense of the Colorado OF, since balls drop faster through thin air, can't imagine how much faster they'll drop because they're carrying extra weight as well.

Basically my end conclusion was aside from a few homers maybe not happening because of less advantageous power alleys Justin Upton should still rock in Atlanta.
tl;dr

As a Mets fan, I hope you're horribly wrong. Horribly.
__________________
Fermenting: Stout, Pumpkin Ale
Drinking: Pale Ale, German Pilsner, Cider
On Deck: Harvest Ale, IPA, Brown Ale
JohnnyO is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Getting back into baseball Cubslover General Chit Chat 16 03-07-2012 12:07 AM
Fans of baseball, even bad baseball ... shecky General Chit Chat 8 08-14-2008 02:29 AM
baseball cards BrewBrain General Chit Chat 16 07-30-2008 09:03 AM
If you like baseball, you'll LOVE X-TREME Baseball!! rdwj General Chit Chat 12 05-09-2007 08:09 PM
Baseball--AL or NL? Dude General Chit Chat 54 04-24-2007 12:11 PM