Monster Cable gets a bitch slap - Page 3

Evan! · 04-16-2008, 03:12 PM

Oh, and if you like Monster and Bose, then you'll LOVE these! For the idiot who has everything!

**GilaMinumBeer** · 04-16-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Evan!

Oh, and if you like Monster and Bose, then you'll LOVE these! For the idiot who has everything!

Ha! Classic.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071009/015017.shtml

**the_bird** · 04-16-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Evan!

Gila, it's the same scam that Bose has been running for years. $500 for a clock radio that doesn't even have a CD player? Hey, just make consumers THINK that they're buying the best of the best via excellent marketing and exorbitant pricing. It's such a scam. Not that Bose products don't sound good, just that for what they are, they're vastly overpriced.

You know what's weird, though?

I have a pair of Bose speakers; just little ones, bookshelf speakers. They sound phenomenal. They're designed in such a way that they send the sound throughout the room. I mean, I'm no audiophile, but I've listened to music in a dark room with these and with other speakers, and there's ansolutely no comparison. Very clear sound, decent base, I guess I would describe them as "vibrant"; they really feel live, they're no muddled notes or anything. I've had them for for probably more than fifteen years, probably going on twenty.

I distinctly remember them being less than $200 (they were a Christman present I got to pick out, so I basically had a budget), which I remember even at the time was pretty reasonable. Completely worth every penny.

Evan! · 04-16-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the_bird

You know what's weird, though?

I have a pair of Bose speakers; just little ones, bookshelf speakers. They sound phenomenal. They're designed in such a way that they send the sound throughout the room. I mean, I'm no audiophile, but I've listened to music in a dark room with these and with other speakers, and there's ansolutely no comparison. Very clear sound, decent base, I guess I would describe them as "vibrant"; they really feel live, they're no muddled notes or anything. I've had them for for probably more than fifteen years, probably going on twenty.

I distinctly remember them being less than $200 (they were a Christman present I got to pick out, so I basically had a budget), which I remember even at the time was pretty reasonable. Completely worth every penny.

Like I said, Bose isn't a bad product, but you're paying a lot for the ad campaign. If you do a little searching on teh interwebs, you'll find that pretty anyone that's even an amateur audiophile can show you products that are either comparable in quality to Bose but cost much less, or comparable in price to Bose and are much better. Again, it's not a bad product, but there are other products out there that don't have a sophisticated ad campaign that have better Quality:Price ratios.

**GilaMinumBeer** · 04-16-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the_bird

You know what's weird, though?

I have a pair of Bose speakers; just little ones, bookshelf speakers. They sound phenomenal. They're designed in such a way that they send the sound throughout the room. I mean, I'm no audiophile, but I've listened to music in a dark room with these and with other speakers, and there's ansolutely no comparison. Very clear sound, decent base, I guess I would describe them as "vibrant"; they really feel live, they're no muddled notes or anything. I've had them for for probably more than fifteen years, probably going on twenty.

I distinctly remember them being less than $200 (they were a Christman present I got to pick out, so I basically had a budget), which I remember even at the time was pretty reasonable. Completely worth every penny.

Acoustics are very dear to me. I am currently a Physics study with an Acoustics Discipline. In my possession is a Sencore Real Time Analyzer and Tone Generator.

This thing goes leaps and bounds betond your typical Radio Shack Sound Pressure Level Meter. It will actually show you the response in user selectable Octaves or ranges. So, what does this mean?

For giggles one day I compared and older set of B&W DM604 Series 3 Tower Loudspeakers, (New, these were retailed for $4000.00 a pair.) with a $15 dollar a peice Radio Shack RCA Bookshelf speaker.

Of course there were differences inherent to each speaker type, the towers had more range in the bass octaves, but each speaker was set at precisely the same location, height, and distance from the sampling microphone using the center of the tweeter as the measuring point. The microphone was set 1 meter away in both instances.

The result was taht the smaller, much cheaper bookshelf speacker produced a flatter (more precise) response than the higher priced Tower speaker and could still perform through 80% of the bigger speakers range.

Locate the sweet spot in the room for a decent subwoofer and you'd never know the difference.

I was able to install 13 of these bookshelf speakers, mounts, wiring, and calibration of system for less than the retail price of 1 of the "better" speakers and at the end of the day they perform MEASURABLY better than the others.

**the_bird** · 04-16-2008, 03:42 PM

These are the ones that I have, FWIW.

Bose's marketing has surprised me as well - because these really WEREN'T that expensive when I got them. Not sure if that's a corporate change that has occured over the past fifteen years, or if they still sell some good stuff in the entry-level market.

McKBrew · 04-16-2008, 04:14 PM

This goes back a few years, and is part of the reason why I really don't care for Sony Products (besides the fact that everything Sony I've ever owned was junk).

Once it's been defined as property, our national inclination is to respect its boundaries. The respect you get, though, depends on how much financial clout you can back your claim with. Famously, in 1987, a Maryland restaurant owner named Resurreccion "Sony" Florendo agreed, under threat of a $2 million lawsuit from the Sony Corporation, to stop using her lifelong nickname as the name of her small chain of Filipino eateries. "Sony is my name. It is my personal identity," she told the Washington Post at the time. "I am intimidated by a giant corporation with resources that I can't even think of."

If the situation were to arise today, that corporation would have even more resources. Had Sony Florendo dug in and fought for the right to use her own name in 1987, she might have won in the end. Under federal law at the time, the Sony Corporation would have been required to prove there was a likely chance that customers would actually have believed that Florendo's food was being sold by the electronics giant. But in 1996, President Clinton signed the Federal Trademark Dilution Act, changing the standard and putting another weapon in the hands of whoever plants their flag first. Now, if a trademark is "famous," the holder can sue even if nobody would be confused. Plaintiffs can simply argue that the other use "tarnishes," or even "blurs," the existing mark.

Donasay · 04-16-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Evan!

Like I said, Bose isn't a bad product, but you're paying a lot for the ad campaign. If you do a little searching on teh interwebs, you'll find that pretty anyone that's even an amateur audiophile can show you products that are either comparable in quality to Bose but cost much less, or comparable in price to Bose and are much better. Again, it's not a bad product, but there are other products out there that don't have a sophisticated ad campaign that have better Quality:Price ratios.

Bose is actually in the business of doing other things with sound, and just happens to use what they learn doing those other things to make speakers. I must say though, since they closed the speaker plant here in MA and started making the things overseas in china, the prices have dropped considerably, some people argue the quality as well, but I for one don't notice.