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Old 06-27-2014, 03:12 AM   #21
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so far all I got out of this is some kind of conspiracy where you end up with a crappy fridge, you really love living in the "cuntreh", and city=yuppy.


a fridge does rely on its' outer environment. performance is related to ambient temps (including constant temps) and humidity. the more well designed and insulated models aren't as sensitive as the lesser of the spectrum.

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Makes for an acceptable rant. Maybe not a fist banging, bounce bottles off the table rant, but acceptable for a low key general midweek gripe. I'd rate it a 6.5.

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If makes anybody feel better my kitchen fridge is not working right. Probably on its way out. The repair man has worked on it a couple of times. I've worked on it a couple of times. Everytime he comes out, he tells me I have a good one( maytag). I'm not ready to spend a couple of grand.

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Glue some insulation sheets on the outside of your refrigerator, and monitor it for the temp swings for 6 months.

Some of that pink foam stuff, as pink has a calming effect..........

Get back to us then...........

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Here's the way I see it. The thermostat sensing bulb in the fridge is located where it is shielded so the fridge doesn't kick on every time the door is opened. This is a compromise, but still it IS measuring the inside temp of the fridge, NOT room temp. Because I don't open and close the door constantly like a typical family, the air doesn't circulate into the semi enclosed area where the thermostat is located nearly as much as a typical American family of 4........ which is what it is designed for. I really don't see how it could have any relationship to ambient temps. It just really isn't logical.

I've considered moving the thermostat sensing bulb into the main fridge area, but then it would be too responsive. I have a notion that if I were to install a muffin fan in the fridge that operated periodically to circulate air around, the temp would be more uniform.

Thermal mass I think is the key..... water would be perfect.

When planning an off grid home and shop which I never built, a number of years ago, I included the ultimate refrigerator. It was an "ice cellar". It would be filled with blocks of ice during winter, that were buried in sawdust just like a typical ice house. The ice would be frozen in troughs in cold weather, and slid down into this heavily insulate cellar, and covered with sawdust. An open area would contain what amounted to a dumb waiter... a little "elevator" that would lower your foods down into the center of the ice cellar. When you wanted milk, eggs, meat, beer..... oops I got the order backward ;-), you would simply raise it up into an insulated "closet", then lower it again. Simple, cheap, and effective.

Many of my neighbors still have ice houses on the property (ranches) left over from the days before electricity. Many of them didn't have 'lectricity until the early to mid '60's. They sawed it off the pond or creek every winter, and stored it through the year. Of course they sawed off chunks for the ice chest in the kitchen. My best friend learned to weld using a welder that operated from the 32 volt power system that was powered by a Jacobs wind charger and a couple of Kohler generators, and of course used those big 2 volt lead acid cells in glass. There is however one old homestead a few mile from here where you can see the remains of a system like the one I envisioned. The beauty of ice is the "thermal flywheel" effect. And of course you don't have rumbling grumbling, shaking and groaning refrigerators. Most folks take these noises for granted........ they have the TV or radio blaring away all day. I kind of treasure "silence".

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Here's the way I see it. The thermostat sensing bulb in the fridge is located where it is shielded so the fridge doesn't kick on every time the door is opened. This is a compromise, but still it IS measuring the inside temp of the fridge, NOT room temp. Because I don't open and close the door constantly like a typical family, the air doesn't circulate into the semi enclosed area where the thermostat is located nearly as much as a typical American family of 4........ which is what it is designed for. I really don't see how it could have any relationship to ambient temps. It just really isn't logical.
it is logical because the inside of the fridge doesn't exist in a different dimension. when I worked making ammunition in Vegas, I ran the "trace cell". it was an insulated, temperature controlled portable storage container, and had both a humidifier & dehumidifier since the powdered chemicals and equipment I mixed & used were sensitive to temperature and humidity. it worked fine when it was inside the building in Las Vegas. when our company relocated to outside Boulder City, NV, the put the trace cell outside where the temp swings alone caused problems with the equipment & the chemical mixing consistency.

another first hand example: my wife & I lived in NE Wyoming for almost 4 years. the fridge in the house had the same problems of "freeze spots". we got tired of it & got a fancy new fridge with the freezer on bottom. we still had the same problem. the house was not well insulated and we didn't do much in the summer for temp control except a few window fans. same freeze spot problems. in the winter we didn't have the problem when we did not have the temp swing & humidity issues. we've now been in Minnesota for 3 years with the same fridge and have no issues with freeze spots. our house here is insulated much better and we use fancy yuppy temp control devices. and when we first moved here (in the house my wife grew up in), my in-laws had the same problem with their fridge & chest freezer. they would open all the windows at night and wait for the house to get hot during the day before closing windows & turning on the AC.

every place I have lived in SD, MT, NV, WY, and now MN I have noticed the fridges and/or chest freezers rely on their environment as much as the sensor relies on insulation.
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