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Old 03-05-2013, 07:34 AM   #51
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In my case, I typically drink on a weekly basis. At times nightly. The amount always varies. Typically more on the weekends, especially in social settings.

I just enjoy beer, it's not just the affects of the alcohol in itself. I enjoy the culture, the history, the process etc. My attitude towards beer/alcohol is mostly liberal. I feel Im mostly self-aware and feel my attitude towards consumption is balanced 90% of the time.

In contrast, my social environment would teach that alcohol is a source of misery and a path to destruction. However, one could say the same about money? Either way, I don't always find myself being socially accepted. Not rejected as an alcoholic, but not accepted as being congruent in what they feel is acceptable.

Do you find youself feeling the same way?
I empathize with you living in Dayton. However, you can at least get Founders...
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:56 AM   #52
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I empathize with you living in Dayton. However, you can at least get Founders...
Wait, isn't Bells Oberon available all year round in AZ??
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Wait, isn't Bells Oberon available all year round in AZ??
I'm not sure. I haven't had it. I should probably look into that.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:19 PM   #54
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I empathize with you living in Dayton. However, you can at least get Founders...
Yes, that I can...fortunately, there are a couple 'corner stores' here in Dayton that stock pretty much everything because they also order outside the normal distro channels. The legalities? I have no idea, but I do know the hard to find stuff comes FedEx and UPS.
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If your drinking effects your health, your employment or your interpersonal relationships; you might want to think seriously about cutting back on your alcohol intake, both amounts & frequency. Other than that, I don't see what anybody has to say about how much or how often somebody else enjoys a few drinks. Seems like every time I turn around there's somebody out there who has way too much interest in what I do or don't do.

"Eat healthy, don't eat so much, exercise more, don't use salt, eat more fiber, eat less sugar, don't drink so much, don't drink so often, don't smoke, only eat fish 3 times a week, use sunblock, don't tan, etc, etc, etc..." Ad nauseum.
These people have way too much time on their hands & need to learn how to STFU & mind their own biz.
That's my 2 cents worth, didn't mean to make it sound like a rant.

Somedays I'll have none, other days I might have 2, 3 or even 4. Once in a while I'll start with 6 & continue to an amount known only as "many". It just depends on what's going on & what I feel like doing. Using the case of 24 beers of 12oz each, 1 case spread out over 12 hrs doesn't get me drunk. 1 case in 2 hrs will. I don't drink much or not at all on workdays, on the weekend or vacation I might drink a lot more, I might not. Reasonable moderation with the odd spike or 2 every once in a while seems like a reasonably healthy thing to me. Regards, GF.
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I'm not sure that I understand this argument. The homebrewing industry supplies what the consumer demands... Not the other way around. I can make whatever size batch of beer that I want. I make 4G batches because of equipment restrictions but I can say that I would love to brew larger batches just because of the time and money savings involved. A 4 gallon batch takes the same amount of time to make as a 10 gallon batch.

I think you're also missing the point that this is a very social hobby. A lot of brewers on this forum give away more than they drink.

You're argument also doesn't translate to other hobbies. For instance a golfer doesn't hit the links more often just because she bought 3 extra boxes of balls. She also doesn't just go out on the course to shoot 2 holes a day, she plays 18 on Saturday morning.

I guess I just can't see how the brewing hobby can turn into a "brewing habit".
I agree. I don't see the strength in that argument. I give away most of my beer in sharing the hobby through neighbors, brew club meetings, competitions, and waste. Just because I make 10 gallons doesn't mean I drink 10 gallons.
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Just saw this quoted. Missed it the first time around.

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Using the case of 24 beers of 12oz each, 1 case spread out over 12 hrs doesn't get me drunk.
A case in a day doesn't get you "drunk"? I call bull****.

A 175 lb male drinking 24 5% 12oz brews in 12 hours has a BAC of ~.354.

Around .300, the central nervous system starts to shut down and you become unconscious. You lose bladder control, breathing becomes impaired, and any form of coordinated movement becomes near impossible. Death becomes a very real possibility around .350.

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1 case in 2 hrs will.
That would make you dead. If not from the alcohol poisoning first, then from then ensuing water intoxication.
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I usually drink 2-5 pints of my homebrew 7 days a week. Its rare that I have a 5 gallon brew on draft for longer then 2-3 weeks before I have to change out to a new one.

I never miss work because of drinking
I never miss family time because of drinking
I never get so intoxicated as to where I cannot take care of my child if need be because of drinking

Do I use beer sometimes to settle my nerves...sure I do.

Is it a MUST have.....nope

I drink because I enjoy it...plain and simple

My wife considers my actual brewing time to hinder our time together more then drinking time.granted I just got back into brewing since we bought a house with a heated garage finally so I just need to get this "I must brew every weekend" phase out of my system and all will be well.

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A 175 lb male drinking 24 5% 12oz brews in 12 hours has a BAC of ~.354.

This doesn't take into account individual metabolism rates. This is stupid!! Have done this many of times fishing or hunting. 2 beers per hours doesn't put me anywhere close to .354 cause I am a seasoned drinker with a tolerance. I call BS!! If you have zero to little tolerance I can see you about dying at this rate. But for us that have built up a tolerance no way!!

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This doesn't take into account individual metabolism rates. This is stupid!! Have done this many of times fishing or hunting. 2 beers per hours doesn't put me anywhere close to .354 cause I am a seasoned drinker with a tolerance. I call BS!! If you have zero to little tolerance I can see you about dying at this rate. But for us that have built up a tolerance no way!!
Correct. It does not account for metabolic tolerance to methanol because that's not a major factor in healthy individuals.

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One of the main medical concerns with regards to metabolic tolerance is that an increase in the production of alcohol dhydrogenase and its corresponding increase in liver activity harms the liver. However, liver damage is not the only concern. Tolerance, particularly upwards of 50%, is a major warning sign of alcohol dependence and can signal a serious concern. In addition, tolerance often leads to an increase in a person's total consumption of alcohol, which, in addition to the aforementioned liver strain, can lead to weight gain and malnutrition. While not entirely health related, an increase in total consumption typically corresponds to an increase in cost, thereby affecting your personal finances and social economics
Metabolic tolerance is the only type of tolerance that affects your BAC. The rest is adaption to the level of methanol in the bloodstream.

The majority of "tolerance" is a combination of functional (physical adaptation of the brain to cope), acute (behavioral adaptation within a session), environmental-dependent (behavioral adaptation between similar sessions), and learned (behavioral adaptation through repetition of a task while intoxicated) tolerances.
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