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Old 03-01-2013, 06:50 AM   #31
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In all seriousness, 1-2 a day=14 per week, if you're like me, you may go the weekdays without a beer, then catch-up on the weekend

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Old 03-01-2013, 07:52 AM   #33
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When you are drinking rather than taking care of your responsibilities ie: work, picking your kid up from school, having dinner with your wife, you have a problem
This. Those are basics on what constitutes a dependency, be it alcohol or drugs, porn, my little ponies, etc. Alcoholism is rampant in parts of my family. Dependency issues IN MY OPINION are genetic. It skipped me. I usually have a beer every night. To excess? No. Excess to some people? Yes, but I have my ducks in a row so my life is not affected. My favorite way to look at it is like this...

My girlfriend loves Dr. Pepper. Drinks one or more daily. She likes the taste. Good alternative to water (though she drinks more water than I do most of the time). Dr. Pepper is bad for you too. For me I like beer. Love the way it tastes, especially since I made it. Unfortunately it has alcohol in it so people think it's going to ruin your life. I tell my GF all the time, IF THEY MADE ALL MY FAVORITE BEERS WITH NO ALCOHOL BUT TASTED THE SAME, I'D DRINK THOSE OVER THE ALCOHOLIC VERSION HANDS DOWN. Beer is our soda, it just so happens that it has alcohol in it. We just have to remember that and mind our P's & Q's.

To the OP, sometimes I think I drink too much and sometimes I don't. You just have to look at when, where, and why you're consuming. To be social with friends at the bar? After work and have a couple to wind down? To forget? To remember? (if that's possible)... Like most have said, everyone is unique to their lives and situations.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:12 PM   #34
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It's not how much you drink. It's when you become addicted to drinking. Why do we keep coming back to this topic?

When you need to drink or think you need to drink, you're probably already getting there.

When it takes over your life in a way that impacts you and your loved ones negatively, you're definitely there.
Baloney.

Scenario: I am travelling, lets say from Toronto to Aspen, with a stop in Chicago. I am with my wife and 10-month old. Here's the steps:
1) Get family to airport.
2) Somehow maneuvre skis, luggage, stroller, to check-in. Why do they make the line switch-backs so tight? ARRGH!
3) Take all those effing bags to the drop-off conveyor belt.
4) Go through customs.
5) Go through security.
6) Get to gate. Relax.
7) Early boarding on plane.
8) Flight. Pass kid around. He is hot as ****. So is the plane. Why the hell is the plane so goddamn hot?
9) Land. Walk 2 miles through Chicago airport to connecting gate.
10) Early boarding on a plane.
11) Flight. Pass kid around. Jesus, how is it possible that this plane is HOTTER than the first one?
12) Land. Gather luggage. Breathe mountain air.
13) Pile stuff in van-taxi-thing. Drive 5 miles to hotel.
14) Arrive at hotel. Check in. Drag stuff to room.
15) Arrive in room. Unpack? **** that. LETS GO TO LIQUOR STORE
16) Stop at bar. Get food. Get booze. Drunken haze until it's time to go home.


Step 6 happens at like 7:00 am. It is from that point on where I become a crusty dirtbag who is a jerk to everyone (family included) until I get to step 16, many hours later.

Who knows, maybe I am an alcoholic.

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Old 03-01-2013, 04:23 PM   #35
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When ADL's (activities of daily living) cannot be performed without alcohol, that is my interpretation of too much (alcoholism). I usually have 2-3 beers on 2-3 weeknights. Weekends are another story, it is not uncommon for 6-8 on Fri and Sat.

Honestly for me 3 moderate gravity beers have little to no effect if consumed in an hour. My tolerance for alcohol depends on how much I exercise, and currently not exercising so I can tolerate much more. I would love it if 2 brews got me buzzin but that hasn't happened in 15 years.

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Old 03-01-2013, 05:20 PM   #36
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I don't attribute my drinking to anything other than the fact that I like beer, wine, whiskey, mead, etc. The effects of the alcohol are nice (sometimes). Getting a buzz is fun for me as I'm sure it is for most of us. I feel good when I'm buzzed. On the other hand I also have fun when I'm not buzzed and I also feel good when I'm not buzzed. It's not one or the other.

Most of the time I don't drink enough to get a buzz. I usually drink more in social settings like parties or band practice.

Beer plays an important part in my life not because it'll getcha drunk but because it's a fantastic hobby, it's delicious and it's delicious! If someone said that I couldn't have beer anymore, of course I would be upset. Not because I need it but because I love it. It's the same as telling me that I can't watch football or go fishing.

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When ADL's (activities of daily living) cannot be performed without alcohol, that is my interpretation of too much (alcoholism). I usually have 2-3 beers on 2-3 weeknights. Weekends are another story, it is not uncommon for 6-8 on Fri and Sat.

Honestly for me 3 moderate gravity beers have little to no effect if consumed in an hour. My tolerance for alcohol depends on how much I exercise, and currently not exercising so I can tolerate much more. I would love it if 2 brews got me buzzin but that hasn't happened in 15 years.
Interestin, the inverse for me. The more I exercise the more I metabolize beer. ( or so I think) I run a lot and I find that 2 beers in an ice bath are just the thing. After a marathon, meaning the afternoon of and the next day, I find myself in the beer aisle looking like homer Simpson. Every now and then my long runs turn into 16-18 milers and lemme tell ya what a twelve pack and some hamburgers taste like after.

The social implications are something to consider. I live in the bible belt of the deep south. A beer is too much to some but yet we can drink outside and walk around downtown, its a to go cup. I spent a decade in construction and realized some of the guys coffee cups didn't have any steam, if you get me. Being self employed I could crack one but I know have have priorities so I wait until I am through for the day. I also don't just sit around drinking beer, if I get into a couple cold ones I'm probably still working in the shed or cleaning the shop.

I guess it's a fine line between moderation, functional drunk, and an alcoholic. For now though I'm the last one to go to bed, the first one up, and the only one who remembered what happened.
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More than one beer per hour is too often.
Yes, but only if we are talking averages... So more than 24 beers on any given day is probably a bit too much. Keyword probably.
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The way I see it there are 2 types of alcoholics:

1. Functional

2. Non-functional.

My grandfather drank a 6 pack a day from his 40's through age 80! He was 100% fine no matter how much beer he drank but if someone gave him liquor he was done! As long as he had a beer in his hand he was happy, functional and seemingly sober! BTW: He lived till age 86 and had no real health problems (save for one stroke at age 83, ironically he had not been drinking for 3 years when the stroke happened). We are convinced he would have lived longer if he didn't stop drinking...

Non-functional alcoholism takes over your life. If you are late to work because you were out drinking the night before...you might have a problem. If you are falling asleep at your job or craving a beer at 1pm...you might have a problem.



Personally I usually have 1-2 beers per day but I can easily just stop drinking for a week without craving a beer (as long as I don't see someone else drinking a beer!) I hate being drunk and the associated hangovers so I always limit my drinking and try to not drink within 2 hours of when I plan to go to sleep.

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Interestin, the inverse for me. The more I exercise the more I metabolize beer.
Pretty sure I've read that alcohol metabolism doesn't depend on level of fitness. Thought I'm pretty sure that I have read studies that said fat does store alcohol, resulting in a prolonged release back to the bloodstream. In other words, those with higher amounts of body fat become intoxicated slower, but remain intoxicated at a lower level for longer. This seems to agree with your anecdote, but I can't have any clue if you actually lost body fat with cardio or just stacked on muscle with strength training or something else entirely.

An interesting bit that I just found Googling around...

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Alcohol metabolism alters the balance of reproductive hormones in men and women (23-28). In men, alcohol metabolism contributes to testicular injury and impairs testosterone synthesis and sperm production (24,29). In a study of normal healthy men who received 220 grams of alcohol daily for 4 weeks, testosterone levels declined after only 5 days and continued to fall throughout the study period (30,31). Prolonged testosterone deficiency may contribute to feminization in males, for example, breast enlargement (32). In addition, alcohol may interfere with normal sperm structure and movement by inhibiting the metabolism of vitamin A, which is essential for sperm development (30,33). In women, alcohol metabolism may contribute to increased production of a form of estrogen called estradiol (which contributes to increased bone density and reduced risk of coronary artery disease) and to decreased estradiol metabolism, resulting in elevated estradiol levels (28). One research review indicates that estradiol levels increased in premenopausal women who consumed slightly more than enough alcohol to reach the legal limit of alcohol (BAC of 0.10 percent) acutely (28). A study of the effect of alcohol on estradiol levels in postmenopausal women found that in women wearing estradiol skin patches, acute alcohol consumption significantly elevated estradiol levels over the short term (34).
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