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**Shoopdog** · 10-22-2006, 12:07 AM

I agree with Pumbaa...I have worked many accident scenes where drunk drivers killed innocent people minding their own business. Also, several fellow officers retired out because drunks, for some reason, like to drive towards the pretty flashing lights. Wish people would use DDs, or stay home and get snockered.

disaffected · 10-22-2006, 12:48 AM

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion and everyone has the right to express it and to advocate it. That's a good thing for us all. Unfortunately, it becomes impossible to discuss such differences of opinion in certain venues, such as this forum, because beliefs regarding crimes and punishments are rooted in political ideology, and politics is a forbidden topic here. And with good reason, since politics is one of the two most contentious topics that a forum might entertain. Unless the forum is intended for such debate, it tends to distract from the proper focus of the forum.

To those of you who advocate extreme punishments like life imprisonment for DUI in situations that only have a potential to cause harm, versus the more serious situations that result in actual harm, my sincere hope for you is that you will never have to face the terribly sad circumstance in which you or one of your children or loved ones is arrested for DUI.

**Pumbaa** · 10-22-2006, 01:50 AM

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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion and everyone has the right to express it and to advocate it. That's a good thing for us all. Unfortunately, it becomes impossible to discuss such differences of opinion in certain venues, such as this forum, because beliefs regarding crimes and punishments are rooted in political ideology, and politics is a forbidden topic here. And with good reason, since politics is one of the two most contentious topics that a forum might entertain. Unless the forum is intended for such debate, it tends to distract from the proper focus of the forum.

To those of you who advocate extreme punishments like life imprisonment for DUI in situations that only have a potential to cause harm, versus the more serious situations that result in actual harm, my sincere hope for you is that you will never have to face the terribly sad circumstance in which you or one of your children or loved ones is arrested for DUI.

I hope I never run into that situation myself but IMHO if penelties were much stronger maybe people would realize it's not a joke. Like I said above I'll give everyone a first "oh ****" . . . because as I have said before (maybe not here) drunk driving is like masterbation . . . everyone has done it at least once, and if ya say ya havent then you either a a liar OR you dont know what it is.

Hell I probably was breaking the law the other night when I drove home from a Union meeting. it wasnt the smartest thing to do but TBH I dont really regret doing it either. If I would have been pulled over and busted I wouldnt have had much to whine about though. I knew the risks, I made my decision, and I (probably) broke the law.

On the flip side . . . I also think the drinking age should be about 16 and the legal driving age should be 21, AND as much as it makes me want to choke (I'm not a big Europe fan, There were reasons our families left it) I think we should take a more European attitude to driving over here. They realize driving is a serious task and rarely will you see them doing something else when they are driving.

**Chairman Cheyco** · 10-22-2006, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumbaa

I think we should take a more European attitude to driving over here. They realize driving is a serious task and rarely will you see them doing something else when they are driving.

That's so true, the average skill level of drivers over there is way higher than in north america.

Flyin' Lion · 10-22-2006, 02:00 PM

As a "free" country, a lot of people think of driving as a right and not a priviledge. That being said, drunk driving is one of many problems drivers face today. Cell phones, dvd players and general inattentive driving makes me dread every trip we take up to New Jersey.

I hope that we see cars that can drive themselves in our lifetime.

**the_bird** · 10-22-2006, 02:22 PM

Philisophically, I don't really like distinguishing between being in a situation with the POTENTIAL for harm (DUI, no accident, nobody hurt) versus one with actual harm (you kill someone). To my eye, the difference between the former and the latter is primarily a matter of luck - you didn't HAPPEN to run into someone this time (but would have if they were there). I also happen to believe that the punishments for crimes like attempted murder ought to be a lot closer to those for murder; should you receive leniancy because the bullet happened to miss a major organ?

**Baron von BeeGee** · 10-22-2006, 03:30 PM

Let's get this back on topic:

**Chairman Cheyco** · 10-22-2006, 03:36 PM

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LOL, I wish we could post picture polls!

**Brewpastor** · 10-22-2006, 04:43 PM

I am ready to form a new organization: DAMM - Drinkers Against Mad Mothers

I am tired of my rights being taken away because existing laws are not enforced and because others happen to not approve of drinking.

This is a HOT issue for me. I had a brother killed by a drunk driver, but still know there are responsible drinkers out there.

THUMP (the sound of me getting off my soapbox)

**Pumbaa** · 10-22-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron von BeeGee

Let's get this back on topic:

I dont think they are cracking down on it more I think it's more of a media that has nothing better to do. With at least 4 24 hour cable news networks there just isnt that much to cover right now so when things get slow . . .

Except that last guy . . . he's someone to watch out for . . .