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Old 06-18-2008, 03:06 AM   #11
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I just can't relate to politicians that can afford electricity bills that are more than what I will make in 2 years!!!

Not one candidate or wanna be candidate can relate to my paycheck vs electricity bill

Political posts are fun

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Old 06-18-2008, 03:20 AM   #12
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But he is super cereal about the environment!

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But he is super cereal about the environment!
and finding manbearpig.
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:22 AM   #14
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Yep, they get people to conserve and then charge them even more. Great logic. I'm with ya. I'm going to install a solar array once the prices come down and do the same.

FIL is looking into that. He's figuring it would cost $35,000 to do the whole house. Im looking into selling the damn things! Make some money while they are still $$$, then buy when they come down.
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:27 AM   #15
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This is a tough one, eh Germey?

Bashing politicians is easy!
Only tough thing is keeping up with this thread during dinnertime.


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Both those guys have absolutely no political power or will to make policy.
What, Ed and I have plenty of will... Just wait 'till he finishes the BrauHaus.
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FIL is looking into that. He's figuring it would cost $35,000 to do the whole house. Im looking into selling the damn things! Make some money while they are still $$$, then buy when they come down.
Solar powered stirling generators are starting to look promising. The theoreticle efficiency is superior to silicone solar cells. As soon as I clear up some projects on my to do list I will be testing with a couple. I figured two 6' dishes at %20 efficiency will be more than I need. If I can increase efficiency that is just more money the electric company is going to pay me.
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Silicon photovoltaic technology will become obsolete in the next few years. The manufacturing process for plastic coated solar cells is close rapid mas production with multiple companies investing in the technology. The plastic version is lighter, flexible, easier to custom fit, and the market will be competitive in pricing.

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Sterling solar? Id like to know more- During the summer here we get 18+hrs of sun
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I'm going to install a solar array once the prices come down and do the same.
How's the wind in your area? Windmills are pretty efficient, and have substantially lower startup costs. Looks like you've got the space for a few.
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Some info from an Electrical Engineer for a power company:

How much electricity does an average 2-story 3-bedroom house use per day per month or per year?

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More information is needed to address this question well. What type of appliances are being run? Is it an all electric house? What appliances run on gas? Is there a Central Heat and AC? What is the approximate square footage? With answers to these questions you can get a pretty good ball park answer.

Otherwise I will contribute this: As an electrical engineer for a power company I see on average a house that is 1600-2000 square feet and having electric appliances except for the furnace use an average of 1500Kwatts per month making 50 Kwatts per day and a total of 18,000 Kwatts per year.

Having said that it is also important to know why the question is being asked. If, for example, one is trying to determine usage as part of a plan for creating an alternative energy system for the house, one really needs to find out the actual usage for the house. Average numbers can be very misleading. Nova ran a story about a couple that installed a solar based 6 kWatt system who were generally running a surplus. No data is provided for actual consumption and converting the rating of a solar system back to Kwatts/day is moderately complex.

On the other side of the spectrum, it has been reported that Al Gore's mansion uses about 221,000kWh per year. If you scale this number down to the requested 1600-2000 square foot house, the result is around 60,000 Kwatts per year. It is reasonable to assume that Mr. Gore has already done all of the obvious things to reduce his energy footprint (e.g. energy star appliances, energy efficient lighting) so this clearly should not be considered an upper bound on electrical usage. Mr. Gore also purchases carbon offsets and extra wind power to balance out the remainder of his home's energy consumption.

The most important part about this question is that knowing the average value is useful if you just want to know the average but knowing the specific number may be significantly more important in some cases.

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