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Old 12-24-2010, 05:36 PM   #31
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I am not deriding BMC style beers.
Ummm...your initial post was nothing but derision towards BMC.

Regardless, the fact remains that the style of beers that BMC fall into is a supremely difficult type of beer to make. We should all strive to become brewers of the skill level that could pull off those types of beers at that level of quality.
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:02 PM   #32
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Ummm...your initial post was nothing but derision towards BMC.

Regardless, the fact remains that the style of beers that BMC fall into is a supremely difficult type of beer to make. We should all strive to become brewers of the skill level that could pull off those types of beers at that level of quality.
dude Ive been arguing this point for years. This forum loves to hate on American Light lagers, but if I start bashing on extract brewers my threads get locked. Go figure.

But like you said, the light lager is one of the hardest styles of beers to make. Any flaw is immediately apparent, but HBT loves to hate the fizzy yellow
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Regardless, the fact remains that the style of beers that BMC fall into is a supremely difficult type of beer to make. We should all strive to become brewers of the skill level that could pull off those types of beers at that level of quality.
I think you're confusing art with science. You're also confusing quality with redundancy. You’re confusing appreciation with indifference. I find more inspiration in a craft brewery constantly pushing the limits of innovation than in a factory beer that's success is based on mechanical reproduction of a product. BMC isn't about skill. It's about money. What makes it hard to reproduce on a homebrew level is their massive resources. They've done for beer what McDonalds has done for the hamburger. It seems people find comfort in knowing they can get the same product anywhere they happen to be.

But hey, if striving for boring and bland because of its level of difficulty floats your boat, happy sailing.
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:41 PM   #34
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I think you're confusing art with science. You're also confusing quality with redundancy. You’re confusing appreciation with indifference. I find more inspiration in a craft brewery constantly pushing the limits of innovation than in a factory beer that's success is based on mechanical reproduction of a product. BMC isn't about skill. It's about money. What makes it hard to reproduce on a homebrew level is their massive resources. They've done for beer what McDonalds has done for the hamburger. It seems people find comfort in knowing they can get the same thing anywhere they happen to be.

But hey, if striving for boring and bland because of its level of difficulty floats your boat, happy sailing.
Seriously? I don't even know where to begin. For one, I'd like to see you try and make a clone of a BMC. Don't come back with "I don't like that swill so why should I try" crap. You don't because any flaws that are masked by the hoppiness or other flavors in your current setup would be magnified to the point of it not coming out well.

Your statement of "It seems people find comfort in knowing they can get the same thing anywhere they happen to be" applies to every single beer. You know that if you pick up a bottle of Arrogant Bastard in Chicago, it's going to be the same as a bottle on the East Coast.

And BMC is very much about skill. To think otherwise is to be an EAC, with an emphasis on the AC.
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I used to nag people about their beer choices, I am a confirmed beer snob through-and-through. Now I only nag my good friends. They know I'm yanking their chains and I'm not being too serious. I'm the type of person that likes to try new things - expand your horizons young man. I guess I try to impose that attitude on others sometimes.

I'm at the stage where I want to perfect recipes and procedures for the styles I enjoy. American lagers are not one of those styles, although I recognize they are very popular (duh!). After I've conquered my favorite styles, I might move on to other styles I may have less appreciation for. Expand your horizons young man!

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may I recommended this beer and this thread.

Cream of 3 Crops
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f62/cream-three-crops-cream-ale-66503/

very clear lots of flavor and converts BMC Swill drinking only people to Home Brew

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That's perfectly fine. I'm not arguing this because I'm a huge fan of BMC. I'm not. I prefer ales. However, it irks me to see them so constantly derided. There's a reason why they are considered the examples of the BJCP style category. To simply say you can make better beer than BMC when you're talking about a stout or IPA or something other than American Light Lager is comparing apples to oranges and is based on your personal taste preferences. To truly make that statement, you'd need to make a clone and have it win out in a blind taste test. I'm not saying I'm about to do that, hell, I don't even lager yet. But until you do, show at least some respect to a well made American Light Lager.

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And BMC is very much about skill. To think otherwise is to be an EAC, with an emphasis on the AC.
I'd urge you to consider stopping insulting people who disagree with you.

Yes, BMC is ridiculously difficult to clone. But that doesn't necessarily mean its about skill. OldUR is right, BMC is certainly about mass production and mass marketing. Both statements can be correct.

I also agree with Forrest - one of the very appealing aspects of BMC to the many people who enjoy it is that its an easy to drink alcohol delivery system. He's not a snob to point that out.

You're right, of course, that there are some people here who are ridiculous in their snobbery, but you're insulting two people who aren't, in my opinion.
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That's true.
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I'd like to see you try and make a clone of a BMC . . .You don't because any flaws that are masked by the hoppiness or other flavors in your current setup would be magnified to the point of it not coming out well.
You’re right. My homebrew setup can’t match the resources of a BMC.

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Don't come back with "I don't like that swill so why should I try" crap
Well, it’s true, but my opinion has nothing to do with this augment.

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Your statement of "It seems people find comfort in knowing they can get the same thing anywhere they happen to be" applies to every single beer. You know that if you pick up a bottle of Arrogant Bastard in Chicago, it's going to be the same as a bottle on the East.
Again true, but if I limited myself to only drinking Arrogant Bastard you’d have a point. But unlike most BMC drinkers, I enjoy variety.

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And BMC is very much about skill. To think otherwise is to be an EAC, with an emphasis on the AC
As I said, I think it’s about resources not skill.




And your calling me the “C” word. Very classy!
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