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Old 12-04-2012, 02:26 AM   #51
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:19 AM   #52
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I just heard that the pope is getting a Twitter account. I think I'm going to ask him directly.
I would love for the Pope to answer the Question " what is considered a 'Strong Drink' in the time of Jesus?". And what was more common/ likely for Jesus to drink?
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:34 AM   #53
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Either way, beer or wine, it's obvious that Jesus was ok with alcohol. Alcohol in and of itself is amoral.
i don't think i get this... the ultimate morality is ok with something innately immoral?
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i don't think i get this... the ultimate morality is ok with something innately immoral?
Alcohol isn't immoral. The overindulgence in alcohol is immoral.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:10 AM   #55
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Id say he only drank beer since grains were alot more common than grapes ..im sure it just got lost in translation
But Jesus's time would have fallen under Roman rules, and the ME was greatly influenced by the Greeks. Both of whom love their wine. So I don't think having wine shipped in would be an irregularity.

as far as drinking in the bible, it's all translation shenanigans. Any form of pressed grape in hebrew or greek has the same word. So Grape Juice and Wine are the same. So were they actually drinking wine as we know it? Or Grape Juice?

I mean in the end who cares, but I'd like to think that Jesus wouldn't mind sitting down and enjoying a good beer.
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as far as drinking in the bible, it's all translation shenanigans. Any form of pressed grape in hebrew or greek has the same word. So Grape Juice and Wine are the same. So were they actually drinking wine as we know it? Or Grape Juice?
Most wine was fermented in Jesus' time, though you are correct that the Greek and Hebrew make no distinction. However, in one parable Jesus explains you don't put new wine into old wineskins because they will burst. That is undoubtedly from fermentation, most likely from wild yeast on the grape skins when they were pressed.
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Most wine was fermented in Jesus' time, though you are correct that the Greek and Hebrew make no distinction. However, in one parable Jesus explains you don't put new wine into old wineskins because they will burst. That is undoubtedly from fermentation, most likely from wild yeast on the grape skins when they were pressed.
Very true. I think at the time what they drank both. It was kind of like drink what you could to stay alive.
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If there actually was a Jesus character, pretty sure he'd have been fine with drinking beer.... Numerous passages in the Bible written by a variety of people on the issue of people drinking wine to excess... good and bad.... Based on years of studying the Bible, pretty sure he'd be an IPA kind of guy...

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But Jesus's time would have fallen under Roman rules, and the ME was greatly influenced by the Greeks. Both of whom love their wine. So I don't think having wine shipped in would be an irregularity.
No need to have it shipped in, the ME was making plenty of their own wine at the time, if anything, they were the ones exporting the stuff. Back then, they were the agricultural center of the ancient world.

There is not doubt the ancients loved a good drink. Pliny has an entire chapter of his Encyclopedia dedicated to 'wine' and it's not a short chapter. Those guys were fermenting anything and everything with sugar in it.

Anyone have a clone for Jesus's '5 minute wedding wine' ?
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Just use some common sense. There weren't many preservatives used during the era (except maybe salt curing) so pretty much as soon as grape juice was pressed, it started gradual fermentation. The same for beer or any other grain beverage, i'm sure the originators in several world cultures discovered that boiling some partially sprouted grains created a nice sweet drink, and not long after that, the wild yeasts turned it into a nice alcoholic drink. I would also tend to believe that, while grapes weren't accessible to the common man, that grains were. So, I would deduce that grain beverages would have been much much more common than wine.

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