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**Bernie Brewer** · 07-03-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheesefood

No one blasts pot smokers, music stealers, or hooch makers. Hell, we even let Packer fans speak openly. Why is this issue so near and dear to some of your hearts?

Because I can't stand dishonesty. Sorry if you think that's a flaw. I'm all for getting a deal, but theft is theft.

WOP31 · 07-03-2007, 04:58 PM

Wow keg stealing is getting Brutal!

Here you go Michigan is raising the deposits for everyone, I expect everyone else will follow.

Not saying that i condone thievery, but it makes not one bit of diference to me where you get your kegs, Black Market, Grey market, Purple Market, Not a lick of difference to me, so go out find you a deal and start cutting some metal! Game On!

Cheers

Sorry had to borrow that one, that is f'ing funny!

**olllllo** · 07-03-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby_M

If we have one more long drawn out debate about keg ethics...

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Originally Posted by Cheesefood

Why is this issue so near and dear to some of your hearts?

I don't care what people do.
My objections is that they post outright misinformation such as:

A deposit is a sale. They have my $30, so I bought it.
Average $150 replacement fee. $30 doesnt begin to cover it.
It doesn't hurt breweries.
40% of their business tied up in kegs, with 3% losses. I wouldn't want to give that money up. Would you?
It doesn't hurt the craft breweries if you only steal BMC kegs.
It can take months to replace a keg. Shortages hurt everyone.
It's not that big of a problem.
300,000 kegs lost per year is a sizable problem that will get worse if SS prices remain high.
They (the brewery) should just raise the price of the deposit.
It most cases, the deposit is a balance of the interests of the brewery, the distributor and sometimes the state. The brewery is not able to do this on their own.

This MSNBC story dispells these myths.

Again. I don't care what people do as long as they don't use this board to substitute their opinions for facts in an attempt to justify their behavior.

Orpheus · 07-03-2007, 08:02 PM

Let's be honest though, the article never once even mentions homebrewers. The problem is not homebrewers using these kegs, it's shady characters exploiting a situation to earn a quick buck.

**Sir Humpsalot** · 07-03-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wop31

Wow keg stealing is getting Brutal!

Wow is it criminal athlete season already?

**Sir Humpsalot** · 07-03-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Orpheus

Let's be honest though, the article never once even mentions homebrewers. The problem is not homebrewers using these kegs, it's shady characters exploiting a situation to earn a quick buck.

So you're saying that the reason for the appropriation determines the morality of it?

Orpheus · 07-04-2007, 12:54 AM

...and there it goes... *thump* *thump* *thump*

Cheesefood · 07-04-2007, 01:22 AM

[quote=CNN]In the past few years, breweries have collectively lost about 300,000 kegs a year[/CNN]

There are 500,000 homebrewers (est'd) in the U.S. A homebrewer uses at most 3, maybe 4-5 max if they keg in sankes. And only a small portion will use any at all.

Problem isn't us. We can still give the keggle back to the brewery and they will end up recouping about 1/2 the cost, between deposit and resale.

**Bernie Brewer** · 07-04-2007, 01:51 AM

[QUOTE=Cheesefood]

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Originally Posted by CNN

In the past few years, breweries have collectively lost about 300,000 kegs a year[/CNN]

There are 500,000 homebrewers (est'd) in the U.S. A homebrewer uses at most 3, maybe 4-5 max if they keg in sankes. And only a small portion will use any at all.

Problem isn't us. We can still give the keggle back to the brewery and they will end up recouping about 1/2 the cost, between deposit and resale.

Problem is anyone that steals a keg, or anything else for that matter, for any reason.

WOP31 · 07-04-2007, 03:48 AM

[QUOTE=Cheesefood]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNN

In the past few years, breweries have collectively lost about 300,000 kegs a year[/CNN]

There are 500,000 homebrewers (est'd) in the U.S. A homebrewer uses at most 3, maybe 4-5 max if they keg in sankes. And only a small portion will use any at all.

Problem isn't us. We can still give the keggle back to the brewery and they will end up recouping about 1/2 the cost, between deposit and resale.

Only a few more years and we will all have a three keg set-up!!!!