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Old 01-04-2013, 03:12 AM   #101
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According to NYS law, it would clearly be illegal to access the neighbor's network, I said that earlier. But as I read it, I wouldn't be illegal to use his wireless connection merely to access the internet, which is public. You're defining what you want to hear, which is what you seem to be slightly accusing me of in the first part of this post.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I just know how it can go in these regards. Ask a specific question and get a specific answer, which isn't necessarily the big picture answer.

What I want to hear is the big picture answer.

Seems odd to me, implausible really, that there is no implication for someone who does not hold an ISP account to use that ISP service without recourse. It's unauthorized use of the service.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:16 AM   #102
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I think the idea of whether you're stealing from your neighbour or his internet provider is the real question here. in my opinion, the issue with the neighbour is the grey area, but you are definitely stealing services from the internet provider. I'm pretty sure that's Illegal. Like someone said previously, it's no different than climbing a pole and hooking up free cable.

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Ask a specific question and get a specific answer, which isn't necessarily the big picture answer.
Well here's your specific answer: yes, it is illegal in NYS to access another person's network.
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I think the idea of whether you're stealing from your neighbour or his internet provider is the real question here. in my opinion, the issue with the neighbour is the grey area, but you are definitely stealing services from the intent provider. I'm pretty sure that's Illegal. Like someone said previously, it's no different than climbing a pole and hooking up free cable.
There's an important difference between "illegal" and "against terms of service". If you don't have a contract with a wireless provider, you can't be violating their terms of service. Many broadband contracts require users to lock down their wifi, but that's an agreement between those two parties. Third parties aren't implicated.
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Like someone said previously, it's no different than climbing a pole and hooking up free cable.
Is it? Unless the internet provider makes it a term of service not to connect their service to a wireless router, then putting it out into the public realm is not wrong. Furthermore, that wouldn't be illegal anyway, it would be a breach of a civil contract, and the issue would be with the owner of the router, not the neighbor who hooks up to it.

Look at it this way: the NFL package. If a bar purchases the NFL package under license for 2 TV's (that's how it works, FYI), then hooks up a third at the other end of the bar, who is wrong? The patrons who sit in front of that TV or the bar owner?
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lol. This time Malfet, I'm not throwing out the usual "As always, Malfet said it better than I could have."

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There's an important difference between "illegal" and "against terms of service". If you don't have a contract with a wireless provider, you can't be violating their terms of service. Many broadband contracts require users to lock down their wifi, but that's an agreement between those two parties. Third parties aren't implicated.
But you are gaining access to the ISP's network infrastructure without their permission. if your neighbour lets you do it, that's between he and the ISP. If you do it without your neighbor's knowledge, that's between you and the ISP.

What's the difference with that vs. Hacking into it? You're an uninvited user.
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Just wondering if you would all be accessories to the crime? I mean you are chatting with me on here about my crime while i am on the "hot" internet?

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Look at it this way: the NFL package. If a bar purchases the NFL package under license for 2 TV's (that's how it works, FYI), then hooks up a third at the other end of the bar, who is wrong? The patrons who sit in front of that TV or the bar owner?
That's not the same at all. The patrons have permission of the owner to be there. That would be roughly akin to me letting you use my wi-fi when you came for a visit at my house.
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Because you're not entitled to use anything that you don't have permission to use. Don't even have to invoke law here, it's just common sense. Oh wait...yeah...
What if your neighbor is grilling, and the smoke is drifting onto your property. Are you allowed to smell it, or do you need permission?
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